Gregory Maxwell says:
The great irony is that now that we have within our community a concrete, intentional, and overt act of sexism to discuss ... our only list for discussing sexism is closed to the victims.
The second irony is that there is no list accessible to you for discussing sexism, and yet I can still hear you discuss it. Loud and clear. From three lists over. Let's tone it down then, shall we?
Allow me, if you will, to quote something from a week or so ago on the Other Sexism Thread, written by yourself:
In any case, the attacking tone this thread has taken.. especially by those who are claiming to be attacked is especially troublesome. I was and am honestly afraid to post my thoughts as a result of it. I think you should take a step back and think about that before replying.
Regards, Dan Mehkeri
On 12/4/06, dmehkeri@swi.com dmehkeri@swi.com wrote:
The second irony is that there is no list accessible to you for discussing sexism, and yet I can still hear you discuss it. Loud and clear. From three lists over. Let's tone it down then, shall we?
It's not my problem if you can't tell a complaint from an attack.
I've criticised no person here, only an action. I've provided what I hope to be a clear argument about why I think the action is intolerable, and with Matt's help, I provided input on how to resolve the matter. What else would you like from me?
As I stated before, It was already 'suggested' that a closed list would be inapproiate. The suggestion was not followed. Obviously the next step is condemnation of the act.
In any case, the attacking tone this thread has taken.. especially by those who are claiming to be attacked is especially troublesome. I was and am honestly afraid to post my thoughts as a result of it. I think you should take a step back and think about that before replying.
The difference here is by explicilty refusing access to a wikimedia list to people on the basis of their gender creates an act of prejudicial discrimination. No sane member of our community could deny this obvious fact.
In the prior thread from which you quote me out of context, people were being attacked and called sexist *merely* because they disagreed. The exchange I commented on did not contain overt and indisputable sexism.
It would be appropriate for you to throw my words at me if I were attacking and calling someone a sexist when there was no clear evidence of sexism on their part beyond disagreeing with me since that is what I was lamenting in the prior thread.
It is not appropriate for you to recall those words when I am complaining about a patently sexist act without regard for who committed it or if they agree with me.