Stevertigo wrote:
Well for starters, how about if you, Jimbo. and you, Ed, don't pamper and coddle people "like" him.
Be careful, Stevertigo, that sword cuts in both directions.
--Jimbo
If I repeat my offer from last year, will Steve or anyone else accept it?
Make me a "lieutenant" or "sheriff" or "nursery school teacher", and I will liberally apply "time-out" to anyone who breaks a rule.
I'll use something like Andrew's graded system of "consequences":
1. A friendly explanation or reminder. 2. A warning. 3. A unilateral temporary ban (length: anywhere from, say, 3 to 24 hours) 4. An indefinite ban (to be resolved on the mailing list and/or by appeal to our Captain or Head Marshall, Jimbo Wales)
I keep proposing this every 6 months or so, but people keep objecting that it will erode our freedom. Well, have you ever counted the number of writers who LEAVE Wikipedia because they have NO FREEDOM freedom to contribute in peace here?
I say we ought to try it out: say, for a 6-weeks trial period.
If it works, let's keep doing it. If it works but needs refinement, let's tweak it. It if it doesn't work, let's stop it.
But anything's better than having several dozen edit wars simmering at a low boil, ready to erupt like volcanoes at a moment's notice.
I say, let's give it a try.
Ed Poor
I have to agree. Vancouverguy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poor, Edmund W" Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:30 AM Subject: [WikiEN-l] Two-edged Sword
Stevertigo wrote:
Well for starters, how about if you, Jimbo. and you, Ed, don't pamper and coddle people "like" him.
Be careful, Stevertigo, that sword cuts in both directions.
--Jimbo
If I repeat my offer from last year, will Steve or anyone else accept it?
Make me a "lieutenant" or "sheriff" or "nursery school teacher", and I will liberally apply "time-out" to anyone who breaks a rule.
I'll use something like Andrew's graded system of "consequences":
1. A friendly explanation or reminder. 2. A warning. 3. A unilateral temporary ban (length: anywhere from, say, 3 to 24 hours) 4. An indefinite ban (to be resolved on the mailing list and/or by appeal to our Captain or Head Marshall, Jimbo Wales)
I keep proposing this every 6 months or so, but people keep objecting that it will erode our freedom. Well, have you ever counted the number of writers who LEAVE Wikipedia because they have NO FREEDOM freedom to contribute in peace here?
I say we ought to try it out: say, for a 6-weeks trial period.
If it works, let's keep doing it. If it works but needs refinement, let's tweak it. It if it doesn't work, let's stop it.
But anything's better than having several dozen edit wars simmering at a low boil, ready to erupt like volcanoes at a moment's notice.
I say, let's give it a try.
Ed Poor _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Erik Moeller wrote:
Make me a "lieutenant" or "sheriff" or "nursery school teacher", and I will liberally apply "time-out" to anyone who breaks a rule.
I support you as part of a committee, but not as a lone ranger.
Yes, me too. The reason I've never taken Ed up on that generous offer is that I felt that it would just cause grief for him, and would likely not have the legitimacy that we all want from the process.
A committee will surely have legitimacy (I'll lend it mine, to start with, but a track record of reasonable decisions will help a lot, as will elections).
By 'legitimacy' I mean: widespread support for the process, even when we may individually not agree with particular outcomes. Legitimacy is necessary because in a wiki environment, only shared values can push us toward shared goals. Decrees from anyone mean nothing unless people buy into them.
--Jimbo
--- "Poor, Edmund W" Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com wrote:
Stevertigo wrote:
Well for starters, how about if you, Jimbo. and
you,
Ed, don't pamper and coddle people "like" him.
Be careful, Stevertigo, that sword cuts in both
directions.
--Jimbo
If I repeat my offer from last year, will Steve or anyone else accept it?
Make me a "lieutenant" or "sheriff" or "nursery school teacher", and I will liberally apply "time-out" to anyone who breaks a rule.
I'll use something like Andrew's graded system of "consequences":
- A friendly explanation or reminder.
- A warning.
- A unilateral temporary ban (length: anywhere
from, say, 3 to 24 hours) 4. An indefinite ban (to be resolved on the mailing list and/or by appeal to our Captain or Head Marshall, Jimbo Wales)
I keep proposing this every 6 months or so, but people keep objecting that it will erode our freedom. Well, have you ever counted the number of writers who LEAVE Wikipedia because they have NO FREEDOM freedom to contribute in peace here?
I say we ought to try it out: say, for a 6-weeks trial period.
If it works, let's keep doing it. If it works but needs refinement, let's tweak it. It if it doesn't work, let's stop it.
But anything's better than having several dozen edit wars simmering at a low boil, ready to erupt like volcanoes at a moment's notice.
I say, let's give it a try.
Ed Poor
What if a new page is created where the one-day ban will discussed, and the person will be banned for one day if, after 24 hours, the general concensus is to ban. I just can't see banning completely unilaterally to be that helpful. LDan
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--- "Poor, Edmund W" Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com wrote:
If I repeat my offer from last year, will Steve or anyone else accept it?
Make me a "lieutenant" or "sheriff" or "nursery school teacher", and I will liberally apply "time-out" to anyone who breaks a rule.
I'll use something like Andrew's graded system of "consequences":
- A friendly explanation or reminder.
- A warning.
- A unilateral temporary ban (length: anywhere
from, say, 3 to 24 hours) 4. An indefinite ban (to be resolved on the mailing list and/or by appeal to our Captain or Head Marshall, Jimbo Wales)
I keep proposing this every 6 months or so, but people keep objecting that it will erode our freedom. Well, have you ever counted the number of writers who LEAVE Wikipedia because they have NO FREEDOM freedom to contribute in peace here?
I say we ought to try it out: say, for a 6-weeks trial period.
If it works, let's keep doing it. If it works but needs refinement, let's tweak it. It if it doesn't work, let's stop it.
But anything's better than having several dozen edit wars simmering at a low boil, ready to erupt like volcanoes at a moment's notice.
I say, let's give it a try.
This sounds reasonable.
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