> From: Jimmy Wales jwales@bomis.com
> It looks from the history as though there's an ongoing edit war, and so > probably more eyeballs would be helpful.
Your wish is our command!
>> From: "Dr. Iris Steineck" iris.steineck@aon.at
>> My grandfather Erwin Komenda designed the VW-beetle and Porsche sport >> car type 356. >> ... >> Both, the Volkswagen and the first Porsche sport car, the Porsche type >> 356, were designed by Porsche's longstanding chief designer [[Erwin >> Komenda]]. >> [[Erwin Komenda]], the longstanding Porsche chief designer, developed >> the car body for the famous VW-beetle and Porsche 356.
I have checked in the "definitive" Porsche reference book:
Karl Ludvigsen, "Porsche: Excellence Was Expected"
and Erwin Franz Komenda was indeed Porsche's chief body stylist up until the 1960's. He joined up with Porsche in 1931, so it's quite credible that he designed the bodies for the Beetle and 356.
I suspect that part of the problem is in the wording = Komenda wasn't really the "chief designer" (as that term would normally be construed in English), but rather the "chief body stylist"; also, he didn't "design ... both the [Beetle] and [356}" (which implies he had overall responsibility for the whole thing) - the latter wording "developed the car body" is probably fairly accurate.
Someone (with more time than me :-) should research this in more detail...
Noel
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 09:17:40AM -0500, J. Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Jimmy Wales <jwales@bomis.com> > It looks from the history as though there's an ongoing edit war, and so > probably more eyeballs would be helpful.Your wish is our command!
>> From: "Dr. Iris Steineck" <iris.steineck@aon.at> >> My grandfather Erwin Komenda designed the VW-beetle and Porsche sport >> car type 356. >> ... >> Both, the Volkswagen and the first Porsche sport car, the Porsche type >> 356, were designed by Porsche's longstanding chief designer [[Erwin >> Komenda]]. >> [[Erwin Komenda]], the longstanding Porsche chief designer, developed >> the car body for the famous VW-beetle and Porsche 356.I have checked in the "definitive" Porsche reference book:
Karl Ludvigsen, "Porsche: Excellence Was Expected"and Erwin Franz Komenda was indeed Porsche's chief body stylist up until the 1960's. He joined up with Porsche in 1931, so it's quite credible that he designed the bodies for the Beetle and 356.
I suspect that part of the problem is in the wording = Komenda wasn't really the "chief designer" (as that term would normally be construed in English), but rather the "chief body stylist"; also, he didn't "design ... both the [Beetle] and [356}" (which implies he had overall responsibility for the whole thing) - the latter wording "developed the car body" is probably fairly accurate.
I think the issue here is whether Komenda has any place at all in the [[Ferdinand Porsche]] article; the info in question should really be at [[Erwin Komenda]], where it currently is.
Relevant para from [[Talk:Erwin_Komenda]]:
I have removed the link to the Erwin Komenda Porsche Designer page from many (but by no means all) the pages it had been placed on. Komenda was not sufficiently important to the subjects of those articles. I have removed mention of him entirely from articles (such as the [[Porsche Boxster]]) in which mention of him is rather off topic.
Thus, while the discussion of the wording can continue at [[Talk:Erwin_Komenda]], he should stay off [[Ferdinand Porsche]] (IMHO).
Arvind