David Gerard wrote:
Nicholas Knight (nknight@runawaynet.com) [050206 03:51]:
Contact her ISP. If you can't get them to drop her, call the upstream provider(s). If that doesn't work, block every IP range associated with the ISP and tell anyone affected to complain to the ISP. Wikipedia is getting big, it's time to start throwing some weight around when users are engaging in wildly abusive activities.
Contacting ISPs is a step I'm really not comfortable with. Even in the case of Michael, when he was vandalising continuously, the only reason for contacting AOL was that their network was effectively one large anonymiser. CD is nothing like at that level. Also, there really is no reason to presume an ISP will necessarily give a shit. We're not paying her fees.
The one situation in which I could imagine an ISP being willing to cancel the account of a banned user is if it's being used for something illegal. A simple example would be uploading child pornography. So it might work against the likes of Brother Larry (or whatever name the diaper guy was using last), but not against CheeseDreams.
Complaining to an ISP that they're allowing somebody to edit Wikipedia while banned would only produce incredulous responses like, "Well, you do let anybody edit, what did you expect?" They won't think it's any of their business to enforce our internal rules for us. Nor do I think Wikipedia has any real weight to throw around here; if we tried to make a public issue out of it, the publicity would do more damage to Wikipedia than to the ISP.
--Michael Snow
Michael Snow wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
Nicholas Knight (nknight@runawaynet.com) [050206 03:51]:
Contact her ISP. If you can't get them to drop her, call the upstream provider(s). If that doesn't work, block every IP range associated with the ISP and tell anyone affected to complain to the ISP. Wikipedia is getting big, it's time to start throwing some weight around when users are engaging in wildly abusive activities.
Contacting ISPs is a step I'm really not comfortable with. Even in the case of Michael, when he was vandalising continuously, the only reason for contacting AOL was that their network was effectively one large anonymiser. CD is nothing like at that level. Also, there really is no reason to presume an ISP will necessarily give a shit. We're not paying her fees.
The one situation in which I could imagine an ISP being willing to cancel the account of a banned user is if it's being used for something illegal. A simple example would be uploading child pornography. So it
Since when is trespassing not illegal?
might work against the likes of Brother Larry (or whatever name the diaper guy was using last), but not against CheeseDreams.
ISPs have a long history of terminating users that violate their user agreements.
From BT's TOS:
10.1 You must take all reasonable precautions to ensure that no one (including you) uses the service: ... (b) to send, knowingly receive, upload, download or use any material which is offensive, abusive, indecent, defamatory, obscene or menacing, or in breach of copyright, confidence, privacy or any other rights;
(c) to cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety; ... (e) in an unlawful manner, in contravention of any legislation, laws, licence or third party rights or in contravention of our Acceptable Use Policies located at http://www.abuse-guidance.com as may be amended from time to time (The Acceptable Use Policies also specify actions we may take to ensure your compliance and by accepting these terms you authorise us to take such actions); ...
Complaining to an ISP that they're allowing somebody to edit Wikipedia while banned would only produce incredulous responses like, "Well, you do let anybody edit, what did you expect?" They won't think it's any of
Only if you contact management instead of someone with a brain.
Senior system and network admins in large ISPs have a great deal of power to terminate abusive users.
their business to enforce our internal rules for us. Nor do I think
It is their business to enforce basic netiquette, as ISPs have been doing for years.
Wikipedia has any real weight to throw around here; if we tried to make a public issue out of it, the publicity would do more damage to Wikipedia than to the ISP.
How?