Slimvirgin has blocked me claiming that I am 129.7.35.1.
She is also lying and claiming that I am ElKabong; this appears to be connected to her personal crusade along with Mel Etitis, Yuber, etc. to harass said user.
I request this be removed immediately, I have not violated 3RR and am not ElKabong.
-Enviroknot
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On 5/28/05, Cranston Snord enviroknot@hotmail.com wrote:
Slimvirgin has blocked me claiming that I am 129.7.35.1.
She is also lying and claiming that I am ElKabong; this appears to be connected to her personal crusade along with Mel Etitis, Yuber, etc. to harass said user.
I request this be removed immediately, I have not violated 3RR and am not ElKabong.
-Enviroknot
Enviroknot and 129.7.35.1 were blocked for 24 hours after being reported on WP:AN/3RR by User:FeloniousMonk for violating 3RR at [[Neofascism and religion]].
Based on the editing pattern, writing style, e-mails, and IP-address comparisons of KaintheScion, ElKabong, and Enviroknot, they are operated by the same person. IP address 129.7.35.1 lies within an IP address range (resolving to the University of Houston) previously used by that person, and Enviroknot very conveniently turned up to take over the anon IP's reverts, reverting to the same version.
Sarah
Given what I have seen of your behavior toward other users, coupled with David Gerard's outburst, I get the feeling that nothing I say or do will convince you to stop this.
It is a shame upon Wikipedia that people like you and David Gerard have been given power.
-Enviroknot
From: slimvirgin@gmail.com Reply-To: slimvirgin@gmail.com,English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Completely unwarranted block by Slimvirgin Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 03:21:59 -0600
On 5/28/05, Cranston Snord enviroknot@hotmail.com wrote:
Slimvirgin has blocked me claiming that I am 129.7.35.1.
She is also lying and claiming that I am ElKabong; this appears to be connected to her personal crusade along with Mel Etitis, Yuber, etc. to harass said user.
I request this be removed immediately, I have not violated 3RR and am
not
ElKabong.
-Enviroknot
Enviroknot and 129.7.35.1 were blocked for 24 hours after being reported on WP:AN/3RR by User:FeloniousMonk for violating 3RR at [[Neofascism and religion]].
Based on the editing pattern, writing style, e-mails, and IP-address comparisons of KaintheScion, ElKabong, and Enviroknot, they are operated by the same person. IP address 129.7.35.1 lies within an IP address range (resolving to the University of Houston) previously used by that person, and Enviroknot very conveniently turned up to take over the anon IP's reverts, reverting to the same version.
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You run into a problem here - David is one of the users who has the capability to actually check whether users are sockpuppets. So when he says you're all on the same IP, it is not speculation. It is not a hypothesis based on similar editing patterns. It's an issue of "He looked it up." So what you're doing has nothing to do with whether it's likely that you're a sockpuppet - the technical evidence has been checked.
Adding to the problem is the fact that the other people who can check this are also on this list, have no doubt read this by now, and are thus also aware of the situation, and thus in on the conspiracy.
So we have two hypotheses. 1) You are a sockpuppet, and are lying about it. 2) You are not a sockpuppet, and there is a conspiracy including DavidGerard, Tim Starling, and others to claim that you are while citing non-existent technical evidence.
Evidence for 1: David's citation of technical evidence, the fact that you claim Wikipedia policy has been violated whenever something happens that you don't like, your allegations of a vast conspiracy specifically to run you off (The latter two being behavior that, to a tee, resembles about a dozen other trolls)
Evidence for 2: You say so.
Now. Given that, what remotely persuasive or plausible reason can you offer for accepting hypothesis 2?
-Snowspinner
On May 28, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Cranston Snord wrote:
Given what I have seen of your behavior toward other users, coupled with David Gerard's outburst, I get the feeling that nothing I say or do will convince you to stop this.
It is a shame upon Wikipedia that people like you and David Gerard have been given power.
-Enviroknot
From: slimvirgin@gmail.com Reply-To: slimvirgin@gmail.com,English Wikipedia <wikien- l@Wikipedia.org> To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Completely unwarranted block by Slimvirgin Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 03:21:59 -0600
On 5/28/05, Cranston Snord enviroknot@hotmail.com wrote:
Slimvirgin has blocked me claiming that I am 129.7.35.1.
She is also lying and claiming that I am ElKabong; this appears
to be
connected to her personal crusade along with Mel Etitis, Yuber,
etc. to
harass said user.
I request this be removed immediately, I have not violated 3RR
and am not
ElKabong.
-Enviroknot
Enviroknot and 129.7.35.1 were blocked for 24 hours after being reported on WP:AN/3RR by User:FeloniousMonk for violating 3RR at [[Neofascism and religion]].
Based on the editing pattern, writing style, e-mails, and IP-address comparisons of KaintheScion, ElKabong, and Enviroknot, they are operated by the same person. IP address 129.7.35.1 lies within an IP address range (resolving to the University of Houston) previously used by that person, and Enviroknot very conveniently turned up to take over the anon IP's reverts, reverting to the same version.
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Yawn.
Those who are in power, will stick together. It is necessary for the perpetuation of their power.
Power also corrupts.
I have adequately explained what is going on, and I have referenced all the Wikipedia policy that Gerard and his cohorts are violating.
Whether those in power actually care about Wikipedia policy or not... well, you have just made it clear that YOU do not, and Gerard's burst of profanity proved that he doesn't either.
-Enviroknot
From: Phil Sandifer sandifer@sbcglobal.net Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Completely unwarranted block by Slimvirgin Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:22:50 -0400
You run into a problem here - David is one of the users who has the capability to actually check whether users are sockpuppets. So when he says you're all on the same IP, it is not speculation. It is not a hypothesis based on similar editing patterns. It's an issue of "He looked it up." So what you're doing has nothing to do with whether it's likely that you're a sockpuppet - the technical evidence has been checked.
Adding to the problem is the fact that the other people who can check this are also on this list, have no doubt read this by now, and are thus also aware of the situation, and thus in on the conspiracy.
So we have two hypotheses. 1) You are a sockpuppet, and are lying about it. 2) You are not a sockpuppet, and there is a conspiracy including DavidGerard, Tim Starling, and others to claim that you are while citing non-existent technical evidence.
Evidence for 1: David's citation of technical evidence, the fact that you claim Wikipedia policy has been violated whenever something happens that you don't like, your allegations of a vast conspiracy specifically to run you off (The latter two being behavior that, to a tee, resembles about a dozen other trolls)
Evidence for 2: You say so.
Now. Given that, what remotely persuasive or plausible reason can you offer for accepting hypothesis 2?
-Snowspinner
On May 28, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Cranston Snord wrote:
Given what I have seen of your behavior toward other users, coupled with David Gerard's outburst, I get the feeling that nothing I say or do will convince you to stop this.
It is a shame upon Wikipedia that people like you and David Gerard have been given power.
-Enviroknot
From: slimvirgin@gmail.com Reply-To: slimvirgin@gmail.com,English Wikipedia <wikien- l@Wikipedia.org> To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Completely unwarranted block by Slimvirgin Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 03:21:59 -0600
On 5/28/05, Cranston Snord enviroknot@hotmail.com wrote:
Slimvirgin has blocked me claiming that I am 129.7.35.1.
She is also lying and claiming that I am ElKabong; this appears to be connected to her personal crusade along with Mel Etitis, Yuber, etc.
to
harass said user.
I request this be removed immediately, I have not violated 3RR and am
not
ElKabong.
-Enviroknot
Enviroknot and 129.7.35.1 were blocked for 24 hours after being reported on WP:AN/3RR by User:FeloniousMonk for violating 3RR at [[Neofascism and religion]].
Based on the editing pattern, writing style, e-mails, and IP-address comparisons of KaintheScion, ElKabong, and Enviroknot, they are operated by the same person. IP address 129.7.35.1 lies within an IP address range (resolving to the University of Houston) previously used by that person, and Enviroknot very conveniently turned up to take over the anon IP's reverts, reverting to the same version.
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Cranston Snord wrote:
I have adequately explained what is going on, and I have referenced all the Wikipedia policy that Gerard and his cohorts are violating.
Hey, guys. Since we're all a conspiracy anyway, why don't we just change the policies so that we are no longer violating them? We could just make a policy that "we don't like Cranston Snord", and then anything we'll do has legitimacy and he can't complain.
Timwi
Timwi (timwi@gmx.net) [050529 20:25]:
Cranston Snord wrote:
I have adequately explained what is going on, and I have referenced all the Wikipedia policy that Gerard and his cohorts are violating.
Hey, guys. Since we're all a conspiracy anyway, why don't we just change the policies so that we are no longer violating them? We could just make a policy that "we don't like Cranston Snord", and then anything we'll do has legitimacy and he can't complain.
To pass it as policy properly, we need to have a vote on it IMMEDIATELY, without opportunity for discussion. I'll get to work on a fifteen-part poll *immediately*.
- d.
David Gerard is one of the most trusted members of the Wikipedia community, and I am personally glad he has been entrusted with the power he has been. He is also one of the administrators of this mailing list, so if he really was "drunk with power" as you seem to imply, then why would he allow this abusive tirade from you to continue? He is open and accountable, and continues to enjoy my full confidence.
~Mark Ryan
On 5/28/05, Cranston Snord enviroknot@hotmail.com wrote:
Given what I have seen of your behavior toward other users, coupled with David Gerard's outburst, I get the feeling that nothing I say or do will convince you to stop this.
It is a shame upon Wikipedia that people like you and David Gerard have been given power.
-Enviroknot
From: slimvirgin@gmail.com Reply-To: slimvirgin@gmail.com,English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Completely unwarranted block by Slimvirgin Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 03:21:59 -0600
On 5/28/05, Cranston Snord enviroknot@hotmail.com wrote:
Slimvirgin has blocked me claiming that I am 129.7.35.1.
She is also lying and claiming that I am ElKabong; this appears to be connected to her personal crusade along with Mel Etitis, Yuber, etc. to harass said user.
I request this be removed immediately, I have not violated 3RR and am
not
ElKabong.
-Enviroknot
Enviroknot and 129.7.35.1 were blocked for 24 hours after being reported on WP:AN/3RR by User:FeloniousMonk for violating 3RR at [[Neofascism and religion]].
Based on the editing pattern, writing style, e-mails, and IP-address comparisons of KaintheScion, ElKabong, and Enviroknot, they are operated by the same person. IP address 129.7.35.1 lies within an IP address range (resolving to the University of Houston) previously used by that person, and Enviroknot very conveniently turned up to take over the anon IP's reverts, reverting to the same version.
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I don't actually think he should allow this abusive tirade to continue. Snord is boring me now. ----- Original Message ----- From: ultrablue@gmail.com To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Completely unwarranted block by Slimvirgin
David Gerard is one of the most trusted members of the Wikipedia community, and I am personally glad he has been entrusted with the power he has been. He is also one of the administrators of this mailing list, so if he really was "drunk with power" as you seem to imply, then why would he allow this abusive tirade from you to continue? He is open and accountable, and continues to enjoy my full confidence.
~Mark Ryan
On 5/28/05, Cranston Snord enviroknot@hotmail.com wrote:
Given what I have seen of your behavior toward other users, coupled with David Gerard's outburst, I get the feeling that nothing I say or do will convince you to stop this.
It is a shame upon Wikipedia that people like you and David Gerard have
been
given power.
-Enviroknot
From: slimvirgin@gmail.com Reply-To: slimvirgin@gmail.com,English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Completely unwarranted block by Slimvirgin Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 03:21:59 -0600
On 5/28/05, Cranston Snord enviroknot@hotmail.com wrote:
Slimvirgin has blocked me claiming that I am 129.7.35.1.
She is also lying and claiming that I am ElKabong; this appears to be connected to her personal crusade along with Mel Etitis, Yuber, etc.
to
harass said user.
I request this be removed immediately, I have not violated 3RR and am
not
ElKabong.
-Enviroknot
Enviroknot and 129.7.35.1 were blocked for 24 hours after being reported on WP:AN/3RR by User:FeloniousMonk for violating 3RR at [[Neofascism and religion]].
Based on the editing pattern, writing style, e-mails, and IP-address comparisons of KaintheScion, ElKabong, and Enviroknot, they are operated by the same person. IP address 129.7.35.1 lies within an IP address range (resolving to the University of Houston) previously used by that person, and Enviroknot very conveniently turned up to take over the anon IP's reverts, reverting to the same version.
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David 'DJ' Hedley (spyders@btinternet.com) [050529 00:51]:
I don't actually think he should allow this abusive tirade to continue. Snord is boring me now.
At least he's out of Kain abusive mode. Getting called a "lying son of a fascist whore" was actually a new one on me. (Someone on IRC said "presumably they make the trains come on time.")
- d.
I find the whole thing hilarious.
Not only are you not interested in the truth, you're actively attacking me for following Wikipedia guidelines and for bringing my case.
And I'm not KaintheScion, nor am I ElKabong. I have already posted that I did not agree with their language - but given the abusive way you collectively act, I now fully understand how you drove them to it.
I suppose I should have expected it. The Admins will stick together, right or wrong, because to admit that Admins are doing wrong would erode their ability to use their power to gain advantages in content disputes.
I suppose the next thing you'll do is slap a ban on me. It just wouldn't do to have people speaking truth to power after all.
-Enviroknot
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Completely unwarranted block by Slimvirgin Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 00:59:15 +1000
David 'DJ' Hedley (spyders@btinternet.com) [050529 00:51]:
I don't actually think he should allow this abusive tirade to continue. Snord is boring me now.
At least he's out of Kain abusive mode. Getting called a "lying son of a fascist whore" was actually a new one on me. (Someone on IRC said "presumably they make the trains come on time.")
- d.
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Cranston Snord (enviroknot@hotmail.com) [050528 16:35]:
Slimvirgin has blocked me claiming that I am 129.7.35.1.
That's because you are, you lying fuck. ElKabong = KaintheScion and KaintheScion = Enviroknot.
I mean, it's good that you've stopped the personal abuse using this account.
She is also lying and claiming that I am ElKabong; this appears to be connected to her personal crusade along with Mel Etitis, Yuber, etc. to harass said user. I request this be removed immediately, I have not violated 3RR and am not ElKabong.
No, you just have remarkably similar interests.
- d.
"Keep in mind there can be multiple users who are driven to start participating in Wikipedia for the same reason, particularly in controversial areas such as articles about the conflict in the Middle East, cult figures, or Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. Some have suggested applying the 100-edit guideline more strongly in such cases, assuming that all accounts with fewer than 100 edits are sock puppets. Generally, such beliefs have been shown not to be well founded."
Not that Wikipedia policy appears to have any meaning when Admins like you are pursuing a personal vendetta.
And I have not lied to you. I resent both your accusation and the language you are using.
-Enviroknot
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Completely unwarranted block by Slimvirgin Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:08:38 +1000
Cranston Snord (enviroknot@hotmail.com) [050528 16:35]:
Slimvirgin has blocked me claiming that I am 129.7.35.1.
That's because you are, you lying fuck. ElKabong = KaintheScion and KaintheScion = Enviroknot.
I mean, it's good that you've stopped the personal abuse using this account.
She is also lying and claiming that I am ElKabong; this appears to be connected to her personal crusade along with Mel Etitis, Yuber, etc. to harass said user. I request this be removed immediately, I have not violated 3RR and am
not
ElKabong.
No, you just have remarkably similar interests.
- d.
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On 5/28/05, David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
That's because you are, you lying fuck. ElKabong = KaintheScion and KaintheScion = Enviroknot.
David, I can appreciate your frustration... as well as your level of certainty on this matter. :)
However, I feel you make our community look bad by using such intense language in this case... it comes off as very emotionally charged and it might cause an outsider to question the basis for you judgement. It will almost certainly encourage a highly emotional reply.
I'm sure that the facts in this case are far more damning than any vitriol you could produce, so you'd do us all better to just calmly and politely send this sock back into it's drawer rather than effectively bating it along and escalating the level of incivility further.
Cheers
Gregory Maxwell (gmaxwell@gmail.com) [050529 03:02]:
On 5/28/05, David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
That's because you are, you lying fuck. ElKabong = KaintheScion and KaintheScion = Enviroknot.
David, I can appreciate your frustration... as well as your level of certainty on this matter. :) However, I feel you make our community look bad by using such intense language in this case... it comes off as very emotionally charged and it might cause an outsider to question the basis for you judgement. It will almost certainly encourage a highly emotional reply.
You are, of course, correct. My apologies to the list.
- d.