At 08:24 AM 5/18/2006, Andrew Gray wrote:
In some circumstances ([[F-19]]!) an "artists impression" might be OR, but in general terms sketching something is no more OR than touching up a photo of it.
...or than writing about it!
I would like to draw a line at artist's impressions that are clearly fictional, though. Such as drawings or paintings of people that died centuries before the artist's birth -- they are either fictional or based on another representation (and in that case we should include the other representation instead).
Chl
On 5/18/06, Chris Lüer chris@zandria.net wrote:
I would like to draw a line at artist's impressions that are clearly fictional, though. Such as drawings or paintings of people that died centuries before the artist's birth -- they are either fictional or based on another representation (and in that case we should include the other representation instead).
What about an artists' impression of the inhabitants of an ancient civilisation, based on archeological evidence? Or what about a sketch of a building before it was destroyed, based on (copyrighted) sketches or photos that already exist?
Steve
On 5/18/06, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
What about an artists' impression of the inhabitants of an ancient civilisation, based on archeological evidence?
I think that the only people qualified to carefully interpret archeological evidence and render it into an artists' impression would be those who do it professionally (it's not as simple as interpreting other's drawings).
Laura Scudder
On 5/18/06, Laura Scudder laurascudder@gmail.com wrote:
I think that the only people qualified to carefully interpret archeological evidence and render it into an artists' impression would be those who do it professionally (it's not as simple as interpreting other's drawings).
So who is qualified to write an encyclopaedia? :)
Steve
I'm saying that taking archeological primary sources on some skeleton to an artist's impression of the person is more difficult than taking several drawings to some composite artist's impression.
The latter is more like what we do everyday on Wikipedia: we take multiple sources to generate a composite representation of the information out there. We don't do OR interpreting original data ourselves.
Laura Scudder
On 5/18/06, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/18/06, Laura Scudder laurascudder@gmail.com wrote:
I think that the only people qualified to carefully interpret archeological evidence and render it into an artists' impression would be those who do it professionally (it's not as simple as interpreting other's drawings).
So who is qualified to write an encyclopaedia? :)
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On 5/18/06, Laura Scudder laurascudder@gmail.com wrote:
I'm saying that taking archeological primary sources on some skeleton to an artist's impression of the person is more difficult than taking several drawings to some composite artist's impression.
The latter is more like what we do everyday on Wikipedia: we take multiple sources to generate a composite representation of the information out there. We don't do OR interpreting original data ourselves.
Sounds like a reasonable line to draw. So to speak.
Steve
On 5/18/06, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
What about an artists' impression of the inhabitants of an ancient civilisation, based on archeological evidence? Or what about a sketch of a building before it was destroyed, based on (copyrighted) sketches or photos that already exist?
These two examples (especially the second one) don't seem to fit your definition, which was "pictures attempting to illustrate a subject in the absence of definitive information".
I'd say it's hard for an image drawn by a Wikipedia not to technically violate NOR, so NOR should probably be clarified with these types of images in mind. What to put in the caption of the image is especially tricky.
On 18/05/06, Chris Lüer chris@zandria.net wrote:
At 08:24 AM 5/18/2006, Andrew Gray wrote:
In some circumstances ([[F-19]]!) an "artists impression" might be OR, but in general terms sketching something is no more OR than touching up a photo of it.
...or than writing about it!
I would like to draw a line at artist's impressions that are clearly fictional, though. Such as drawings or paintings of people that died centuries before the artist's birth -- they are either fictional or based on another representation (and in that case we should include the other representation instead).
Hmm, yes. Anything which is a composite of several existing images, or "drawn from life", is probably fine.
On May 18, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:
In some circumstances ([[F-19]]!) an "artists impression" might be OR, but in general terms sketching something is no more OR than touching up a photo of it.
...or than writing about it!
I would like to draw a line at artist's impressions that are clearly fictional, though. Such as drawings or paintings of people that died centuries before the artist's birth -- they are either fictional or based on another representation (and in that case we should include the other representation instead).
Hmm, yes. Anything which is a composite of several existing images, or "drawn from life", is probably fine.
This proposal excites me!
Seriously, we need a WikiProject to do sketches of, say, notable people who don't have free-content photos of them taken, so we can replace a lot of fair use cruft. If I was any good with a pencil I'd do it myself.
Any artists?
From: wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Philip Welch
On May 18, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:
Hmm, yes. Anything which is a composite of several existing
images, or
"drawn from life", is probably fine.
This proposal excites me!
Seriously, we need a WikiProject to do sketches of, say, notable people who don't have free-content photos of them taken, so we can replace a lot of fair use cruft. If I was any good with a pencil I'd do it myself.
Any artists?
We could do a whole bunch in the "court artist" style. Russell Crowe glaring out of the dock, OJ Simpson looking like a mugshot...
Pete, whipping out his crayons