Are there any plans to adopt the forced preview for IPs, like on the German WP? It seems like a good method to curb IP enthusiasm just a little bit.
Also, in my opinion, the undo function should be disabled for IPs, it's not needed to edit and may seduce new IP editors into avoidable edit wars.
Adrian
On 18/08/07, Adrian aldebaer@googlemail.com wrote:
Are there any plans to adopt the forced preview for IPs, like on the German WP? It seems like a good method to curb IP enthusiasm just a little bit.
Also, in my opinion, the undo function should be disabled for IPs, it's not needed to edit and may seduce new IP editors into avoidable edit wars.
Adrian
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I disagree. I've seen a lot of good anonymous editors, and they often use the undo button legitimately, reverting vandalism.
I'd have to second that.
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I disagree. I've seen a lot of good anonymous editors, and they often use the undo button legitimately, reverting vandalism.
Indeed - I think I've seen more good uses of the undo button by anons than bad uses.
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On 0, Adrian aldebaer@googlemail.com scribbled:
Are there any plans to adopt the forced preview for IPs, like on the German WP? It seems like a good method to curb IP enthusiasm just a little bit.
Also, in my opinion, the undo function should be disabled for IPs, it's not needed to edit and may seduce new IP editors into avoidable edit wars.
Adrian
I don't think there are, and I hope there aren't. Sometimes I find myself going through interwikis for a particular article and moving all the images over to Commons & sorting/rationalizing/removing-duplicates, and updating the links. In those situations I absolutely hate editing (as an anon, of course, since I can't be troubled to create accounts on the Urdu WP, the Uighur WP, the French WP...) and then finding myself wondering what went wrong with my edit? Why didn't it save? I *thought* I hit the right button, that's where the save button usually is.
Eventually I realize I'd found one of the WPs which had turned forced preview on. Cursing their choice, I hunt around and eventually commit my edit.
Please don't argue for En to become one of those.
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On 8/19/07, Gwern Branwen gwern0@gmail.com wrote:
On 0, Adrian aldebaer@googlemail.com scribbled:
Are there any plans to adopt the forced preview for IPs, like on the German WP? It seems like a good method to curb IP enthusiasm just a little bit.
Also, in my opinion, the undo function should be disabled for IPs, it's not needed to edit and may seduce new IP editors into avoidable edit
wars.
Adrian
I don't think there are, and I hope there aren't. Sometimes I find myself going through interwikis for a particular article and moving all the images over to Commons & sorting/rationalizing/removing-duplicates, and updating the links. In those situations I absolutely hate editing (as an anon, of course, since I can't be troubled to create accounts on the Urdu WP, the Uighur WP, the French WP...) and then finding myself wondering what went wrong with my edit? Why didn't it save? I *thought* I hit the right button, that's where the save button usually is.
Eventually I realize I'd found one of the WPs which had turned forced preview on. Cursing their choice, I hunt around and eventually commit my edit.
Please don't argue for En to become one of those.
This sounds to me like a compelling argument for single-user login across projects, rather than turning on preview for anonymous editing.
Incidentally, surely this could be tied in with the proposal for a special class of anons that's being discussed elsewhere on the list?
Johnleemk
On 8/18/07, John Lee johnleemk@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/19/07, Gwern Branwen gwern0@gmail.com wrote:
On 0, Adrian aldebaer@googlemail.com scribbled:
Are there any plans to adopt the forced preview for IPs, like on the German WP? It seems like a good method to curb IP enthusiasm just a little bit.
Also, in my opinion, the undo function should be disabled for IPs, it's not needed to edit and may seduce new IP editors into avoidable edit
wars.
Adrian
I don't think there are, and I hope there aren't. Sometimes I find myself going through interwikis for a particular article and moving all the images over to Commons & sorting/rationalizing/removing-duplicates, and updating the links. In those situations I absolutely hate editing (as an anon, of course, since I can't be troubled to create accounts on the Urdu WP, the Uighur WP, the French WP...) and then finding myself wondering what went wrong with my edit? Why didn't it save? I *thought* I hit the right button, that's where the save button usually is.
Eventually I realize I'd found one of the WPs which had turned forced preview on. Cursing their choice, I hunt around and eventually commit my edit.
Please don't argue for En to become one of those.
This sounds to me like a compelling argument for single-user login across projects, rather than turning on preview for anonymous editing.
Incidentally, surely this could be tied in with the proposal for a special class of anons that's being discussed elsewhere on the list?
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On 8/19/07, Gwern Branwen gwern0@gmail.com wrote:
On 0, Adrian aldebaer@googlemail.com scr Eventually I realize I'd found one of the WPs which had turned forced preview on. Cursing their choice, I hunt around and eventually commit my edit.
In addition to it being an argument for single user login, it's really an argument for MediaWiki to detect what your local language is and show its interface in that language by default. It really makes no sense for the Mongolian Wikipedia to shows its interface in Mongolian when your browser is screaming "US English! Any English! Spanish!" at it. It probably breaks several W3C standards this way.
(Out of curiosity: why does it do this? Has this ever been discussed?)
Steve
(Ask on Wikitech-l or MediaWiki-l or just purge the archives for it. :)
On 8/19/07, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/19/07, Gwern Branwen gwern0@gmail.com wrote:
On 0, Adrian aldebaer@googlemail.com scr Eventually I realize I'd found one of the WPs which had turned forced
preview on. Cursing their choice, I hunt around and eventually commit my edit.
In addition to it being an argument for single user login, it's really an argument for MediaWiki to detect what your local language is and show its interface in that language by default. It really makes no sense for the Mongolian Wikipedia to shows its interface in Mongolian when your browser is screaming "US English! Any English! Spanish!" at it. It probably breaks several W3C standards this way.
(Out of curiosity: why does it do this? Has this ever been discussed?)
Steve
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On 8/18/07, Adrian aldebaer@googlemail.com wrote:
Also, in my opinion, the undo function should be disabled for IPs, it's not needed to edit and may seduce new IP editors into avoidable edit wars.
A dramatization of a real conversation from last week...
Non-wikipedian friend: I saw an article in the news today that linked to incidents of people a companies whitewashing their articles, but it appears the changes were usually corrected. How does Wikipedia find and correct things like that so quickly?
Me: Click this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&hideliu=... Me: Then middle click on the word "diff" from a several of the lines, new tabs will open. Me: Look at the tabs, if the change you are shown is obviously bad click undo and then hit save.
Friend: Anyone is allowed to do this? This is really cool. Friend: So it relies on the greater amount of good than bad people?
We had a good conversation after that.
Undo makes it easier for people to contribute. Please don't remove undo for anons.