It would be a terrible idea to give *every editor* admin powers. If you don't believe me, let me give an outline of what would happen:
1. Main page is deleted/restored/deleted/unprotected/protected/etc 2. Main page is replaced with tubgirl/goatse/meatspin 3: MediaWiki namespace is trashed/vandalised/deleted 4: Random editors are blocked for no reason 5: Random pages are deleted/protected for no reason
And the terrible thing about this is that nobody could stop it. Normally, when an edit war breaks out, a sysop is able to descend from the clouds and settle things. When there is an abusive editor, a sysop can rain holy thunder upon him.
If every editor can block, unblock, and generally destroy everything, who's next? Will the bureaucrats have to step in and lay down a Supreme Block? And then what if Bureaucrat is made a default right? And up until Steward? Will Jimbo have to step into the fray and lay his divine vengeance?
Now the continuation of expanding user rights is just hypothetical, but it gives you an idea.
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On 2/16/07, Flame Viper flameviper12@yahoo.com wrote:
And the terrible thing about this is that nobody could stop it. Normally, when an edit war breaks out, a sysop is able to descend from the clouds and settle things. When there is an abusive editor, a sysop can rain holy thunder upon him.
They do that whenever they can come up with the slightest excuse, let alone for "abusive editors."
One must consider that part of the problem of our crop of current abusive administrators may be due to burnout and overstress, and your suggestions to expand the admin pool have merit, but the fact remains that many of the administrator tools are way too easy to abuse, and get abused on a regular basis.
Adminship is a big deal, these days. Else so many of them wouldn't be so dead-set on never having any review of their own actions.
Parker
On 2/16/07, Parker Peters parkerpeters1002@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/16/07, Flame Viper flameviper12@yahoo.com wrote:
And the terrible thing about this is that nobody could stop it.
Normally,
when an edit war breaks out, a sysop is able to descend from the clouds
and
settle things. When there is an abusive editor, a sysop can rain holy thunder upon him.
They do that whenever they can come up with the slightest excuse, let alone for "abusive editors."
One must consider that part of the problem of our crop of current abusive administrators may be due to burnout and overstress, and your suggestions to expand the admin pool have merit, but the fact remains that many of the administrator tools are way too easy to abuse, and get abused on a regular basis.
Adminship is a big deal, these days. Else so many of them wouldn't be so dead-set on never having any review of their own actions.
Parker
That's correct, and being afraid of having your own actions reviewed makes you dead set against having anyone else's actions reviewed: because if it's so easy to review administrator actions, your might come under the microscope next. So the culture protects what it creates, and makes it impossible to correct its own mistakes.
KP
No one's talking about giving everyone admin powers. Just those that have done more good than what they could theoretically do if they went wild.
On 2/16/07, Flame Viper flameviper12@yahoo.com wrote:
It would be a terrible idea to give *every editor* admin powers. If you don't believe me, let me give an outline of what would happen:
- Main page is deleted/restored/deleted/unprotected/protected/etc
- Main page is replaced with tubgirl/goatse/meatspin
3: MediaWiki namespace is trashed/vandalised/deleted 4: Random editors are blocked for no reason 5: Random pages are deleted/protected for no reason
And the terrible thing about this is that nobody could stop it. Normally, when an edit war breaks out, a sysop is able to descend from the clouds and settle things. When there is an abusive editor, a sysop can rain holy thunder upon him.
If every editor can block, unblock, and generally destroy everything, who's next? Will the bureaucrats have to step in and lay down a Supreme Block? And then what if Bureaucrat is made a default right? And up until Steward? Will Jimbo have to step into the fray and lay his divine vengeance?
Now the continuation of expanding user rights is just hypothetical, but it gives you an idea.
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
No one's talking about giving everyone admin powers.
Actually, they are. Most people that are making proposals are making more moderate ones, but not all.
I have been quite content to suggest giving the privileges too 100 random editors who meet minimal criteria. Track them for three months, and be guided later by the results of that experiment.
Ec
A sysop is able to "descent from the clouds" and "rain holy thunder upon him"?
I find it rather questionable that you make these metaphors... adminship is not something godly that is used to lay whoopass down upon others... it should be used as a tool to help the editors, not to burn them.
And seriously, I do not believe in Jimbos "devine vengeance"...
On 16/02/07, Flame Viper flameviper12@yahoo.com wrote:
It would be a terrible idea to give *every editor* admin powers. If you don't believe me, let me give an outline of what would happen:
- Main page is deleted/restored/deleted/unprotected/protected/etc
- Main page is replaced with tubgirl/goatse/meatspin
3: MediaWiki namespace is trashed/vandalised/deleted 4: Random editors are blocked for no reason 5: Random pages are deleted/protected for no reason
And the terrible thing about this is that nobody could stop it. Normally, when an edit war breaks out, a sysop is able to descend from the clouds and settle things. When there is an abusive editor, a sysop can rain holy thunder upon him.
If every editor can block, unblock, and generally destroy everything, who's next? Will the bureaucrats have to step in and lay down a Supreme Block? And then what if Bureaucrat is made a default right? And up until Steward? Will Jimbo have to step into the fray and lay his divine vengeance?
Now the continuation of expanding user rights is just hypothetical, but it gives you an idea.
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Christof Sperl stated for the record:
And seriously, I do not believe in Jimbos "devine vengeance"...
You don't?!?!? Blasphemy! Next you'll be denying His Noodly Appendage!
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