I agree with David's contention that VFD in Very F'ing Destructive.
How about replacing it with a category tag convention? Simply place a [[category:delete]] tag on an article, and explain your reasoning on the article's talk page?
(We could make sub-categories like: * [[category:delete-hopeless-stub]] * [[category:delete-non-notable-person]], etc.
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Impatiently,
Uncle Ed
Dude, You got cohones! Maybe a little more discussion than two emails is needed though?
On 8/1/05, Poor, Edmund W Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com wrote:
I agree with David's contention that VFD in Very F'ing Destructive.
How about replacing it with a category tag convention? Simply place a [[category:delete]] tag on an article, and explain your reasoning on the article's talk page?
(We could make sub-categories like:
- [[category:delete-hopeless-stub]]
- [[category:delete-non-notable-person]], etc.
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Impatiently,
Uncle Ed _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
And he did, too.
-[[User:Humblefool]]
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
Dude, You got cohones! Maybe a little more discussion than two emails is needed though?
On 8/1/05, Poor, Edmund W Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com wrote:
I agree with David's contention that VFD in Very F'ing Destructive.
How about replacing it with a category tag convention? Simply place a [[category:delete]] tag on an article, and explain your reasoning on the article's talk page?
(We could make sub-categories like:
- [[category:delete-hopeless-stub]]
- [[category:delete-non-notable-person]], etc.
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Impatiently,
Uncle Ed _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On 8/1/05, Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvardsson@gmail.com wrote:
Dude, You got cohones! Maybe a little more discussion than two emails is needed though?
This has been discussed to death for months already. Getting rid of VFD is so far overdue that it's almost early.
Kelly
Poor, Edmund W (Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com) [050802 05:39]:
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Holy crap, he did.
19:43, 1 August 2005 Ed Poor deleted "Wikipedia:Votes for deletion" (This page does not work - see David Gerard's wikien-l post)
I must write less forcefully, evidently ... ah, that's no fun. HEAR MY WORDS AND COWER!
In the meantime, I'll just hide under the desk until the fallout clears. Duck and cover!
- d.
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Holy crap, he did.
Well, I never liked it anyway :)
It's always seemed to me like an awkard kludge, out of sync with the general wiki process.
Regards, Haukur
I've created a small page to attempt to discuss the varying proposals for reforming the deletion process at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_reform . Please expand with ideas, and discuss them on eh talk page. I know it's small right now, but I can't think of too many alternative proposals right now.
Just don't delete VfD again, Ed. That doesn't exactly move anything forward.
-[[humblefool]]
David wrote:
I've created a small page to attempt to discuss the varying proposals for reforming the deletion process at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_reform . Please expand with ideas, and discuss them on eh talk page. I know it's small right now, but I can't think of too many alternative proposals right now.
Just don't delete VfD again, Ed. That doesn't exactly move anything forward.
I dunno, it got [[Wikipedia:Deletion reform]] created. :)
On 8/1/05, Haukur Þorgeirsson haukurth@hi.is wrote:
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Holy crap, he did.
Well, I never liked it anyway :)
It's always seemed to me like an awkard kludge, out of sync with the general wiki process.
Regards, Haukur
That it may be... it certainly has its problems, at least. When I heard it was deleted, my first reaction was "hey, good show!" And if we were all Wiki addicts who'd been around a bit it could proceed from there just like that, and take discussion on while VfD was suspended leaving a gaping hole in its place.
But we aren't, and I suspect more than one person was incredibly confused. Think of all the pages that link to VfD, and how many newbies stumble across it; all the policies that mention it.
Ed claims to have intended to leave a redirect there, which would have improved matters. I could even see changing the page to be a placeholder that mentions operation being suspended while discussion proceeds. But it was a gaping hole; an off-putting and confusing one, and one without a clear action to follow in its absence.
I love Ignore All Rules as much as anyone (frankly, if it were abolished, I think I'd leave the project). But, well, if we're going to get rid of VfD, we should at least take a bit of time to set up the transition, no? And perhaps get a *little* more confirmation than one mailing list post, which even most regulars haven't read?
(To quote my idol Douglas Adams here: "OK, so ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking, yeah?")
-Kat [[User:Mindspillage]]
Kat Walsh wrote:
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Holy crap, he did.
Ed claims to have intended to leave a redirect there, which would have improved matters. I could even see changing the page to be a placeholder that mentions operation being suspended while discussion proceeds. But it was a gaping hole; an off-putting and confusing one, and one without a clear action to follow in its absence.
I love Ignore All Rules as much as anyone (frankly, if it were abolished, I think I'd leave the project). But, well, if we're going to get rid of VfD, we should at least take a bit of time to set up the transition, no? And perhaps get a *little* more confirmation than one mailing list post, which even most regulars haven't read?
(To quote my idol Douglas Adams here: "OK, so ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking, yeah?")
Building intergalactic highways is bound to create minor collateral damage.
I'm sure that none of us ever believed that Ed's horoic effort would be allowed to stand. But sometimes, to get people's attention you need to whack them between the eyes with a 2 x 4.
Ec
--- David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
Poor, Edmund W (Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com) [050802 05:39]:
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Holy crap, he did.
19:43, 1 August 2005 Ed Poor deleted "Wikipedia:Votes for deletion" (This page does not work - see David Gerard's wikien-l post)
Way to go Ed!
/mav runs and hides
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David Gerard wrote:
Poor, Edmund W (Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com) [050802 05:39]:
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Holy crap, he did.
19:43, 1 August 2005 Ed Poor deleted "Wikipedia:Votes for deletion" (This page does not work - see David Gerard's wikien-l post)
I must write less forcefully, evidently ... ah, that's no fun. HEAR MY WORDS AND COWER!
In the meantime, I'll just hide under the desk until the fallout clears. Duck and cover!
Somebody should award Ed a barnstar for outstanding courage.
Ec
Ray Saintonge (saintonge@telus.net) [050802 09:02]:
David Gerard wrote:
In the meantime, I'll just hide under the desk until the fallout clears. Duck and cover!
Somebody should award Ed a barnstar for outstanding courage.
From a safe distance. He may be immune to falling safes, we are not.
Thankfully, even if en: is broken, I can still edit m:Bash .
<Tony_Sidaway> "You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"
- d.
What? Did VFD actually get deleted? Heh, I thought that was a joke..
On 8/1/05, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
Poor, Edmund W (Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com) [050802 05:39]:
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Holy crap, he did.
19:43, 1 August 2005 Ed Poor deleted "Wikipedia:Votes for deletion" (This page does not work - see David Gerard's wikien-l post)
I must write less forcefully, evidently ... ah, that's no fun. HEAR MY WORDS AND COWER!
In the meantime, I'll just hide under the desk until the fallout clears. Duck and cover!
Somebody should award Ed a barnstar for outstanding courage.
Ec
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Phroziac (phroziac@gmail.com) [050802 09:13]:
What? Did VFD actually get deleted? Heh, I thought that was a joke..
It actually got deleted. That's what led to five minutes of read-only and Tim Starling showing up in #wikipedia ...
- d.
I musta missed all that!
On 8/1/05, David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
Phroziac (phroziac@gmail.com) [050802 09:13]:
What? Did VFD actually get deleted? Heh, I thought that was a joke..
It actually got deleted. That's what led to five minutes of read-only and Tim Starling showing up in #wikipedia ...
- d.
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David Gerard stated for the record:
Poor, Edmund W (Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com) [050802 05:39]:
I'm tempted to just Be Bold and just go ahead and delete vfd. Just see if I don't!!
Holy crap, he did.
19:43, 1 August 2005 Ed Poor deleted "Wikipedia:Votes for deletion" (This page does not work - see David Gerard's wikien-l post)
If only RickK were here to see this day....