Peter Blaise responds: Yes, that's it exactly. The editors admins sysops moderators developers whatever seem all too often in an angry mood, as if we mere contributors were interrupting their otherwise fine day. "If it wasn't for those dang customers, this job would run smoothly!" =8^o I keep harping on - patience, - tolerance, - acceptance - and equivalent consideration, ... but I do see them as the "count to 100 before replying" cool down opportunity. For instance, I suggested on another mediawiki list that folks could simply scroll-on if they're not interested in a post, or if they must take responsive action, they could set an example of the kind of post they would prefer, instead of merely complaining. One of "them" immediately ripped my head off for my insensitivity to the difficult job "they" have. I guess that was an example of the kind of post they prefer! Doh! "We have seen the enemy, and it's us" - Pogo