I think that Node has expressed his agreement that his behavior was a mistake. We all make mistakes. Node has also contributed considerably to Wikipedia, and does have a vast knowledge of language information. He is certainly a passionate contributor, and he has, in his passion, raised issues that we should consider--whether we agree with him or not.
I suggest that we let this pass, and get on to more worthwhile topics, i.e., building an encyclopedia.
Danny
For the edification of the rest of us, what is this regarding?
-Matt (User:Morven)
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:43:21 EDT, daniwo59@aol.com daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
I think that Node has expressed his agreement that his behavior was a mistake. We all make mistakes. Node has also contributed considerably to Wikipedia, and does have a vast knowledge of language information. He is certainly a passionate contributor, and he has, in his passion, raised issues that we should consider--whether we agree with him or not.
I suggest that we let this pass, and get on to more worthwhile topics, i.e., building an encyclopedia.
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:11:47 -0700, Matt Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
For the edification of the rest of us, what is this regarding?
Basically, an anon IP replaced practically every page on the toki pona Wikipedia with a copyright violation template because he didn't believe the language itself was GFDL. I reverted this because I thought it was GFDL. Tim announced the vandal was node-ue and proposed a project-wide ban, Raul654 banned node-ue on en and meta, Danny convinced Raul654 to unblock him, and Sonja, the creator of the language, said toki pona "is obviously released under the GFDL". See http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-September/017331.html and other emails in that thread.
Angela.
My two cents -
What node did was stupid and immature, and he should have known that blanking an entire encyclopedia was not the way to offer his concerns. He should have posted to the list, on meta, or somewhere else that he thought the entire encyclopedia might be copyvio. It could have been discussed, and bot rollbacks wouldn't have been necessary.
As node has, to say the least, been a source of difficulty and disruption in the past, I can see why there's a significant movement to throw the book at him.
My feeling is that a project-wide ban is a very, very big step, though, and should be reserved. I think node is pretty clearly on warning here, and that further displays of such immaturity will pretty much not be tolerated by anyone.
-Snowspinner On Sep 22, 2004, at 12:28 AM, Angela_ wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:11:47 -0700, Matt Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
For the edification of the rest of us, what is this regarding?
Basically, an anon IP replaced practically every page on the toki pona Wikipedia with a copyright violation template because he didn't believe the language itself was GFDL. I reverted this because I thought it was GFDL. Tim announced the vandal was node-ue and proposed a project-wide ban, Raul654 banned node-ue on en and meta, Danny convinced Raul654 to unblock him, and Sonja, the creator of the language, said toki pona "is obviously released under the GFDL". See http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-September/ 017331.html and other emails in that thread.
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As far as I know (and I don't know much), apart from this hokie pokie toki poki (whatever it's called) language thing, node only really causes difficulty/disruption to some users on the #Wikipedia IRC channel. I've never come across any disputes involving him on the actual encyclopedia. We shouldn't punish people simply because they are unpopular.
~Mark
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:34:15 -0500, Phil Sandifer sandifer@sbcglobal.net wrote:
My two cents -
What node did was stupid and immature, and he should have known that blanking an entire encyclopedia was not the way to offer his concerns. He should have posted to the list, on meta, or somewhere else that he thought the entire encyclopedia might be copyvio. It could have been discussed, and bot rollbacks wouldn't have been necessary.
As node has, to say the least, been a source of difficulty and disruption in the past, I can see why there's a significant movement to throw the book at him.
My feeling is that a project-wide ban is a very, very big step, though, and should be reserved. I think node is pretty clearly on warning here, and that further displays of such immaturity will pretty much not be tolerated by anyone.
-Snowspinner
On Sep 22, 2004, at 12:28 AM, Angela_ wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:11:47 -0700, Matt Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
For the edification of the rest of us, what is this regarding?
Basically, an anon IP replaced practically every page on the toki pona Wikipedia with a copyright violation template because he didn't believe the language itself was GFDL. I reverted this because I thought it was GFDL. Tim announced the vandal was node-ue and proposed a project-wide ban, Raul654 banned node-ue on en and meta, Danny convinced Raul654 to unblock him, and Sonja, the creator of the language, said toki pona "is obviously released under the GFDL". See http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-September/ 017331.html and other emails in that thread.
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Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know (and I don't know much), apart from this hokie pokie toki poki (whatever it's called) language thing, node only really causes difficulty/disruption to some users on the #Wikipedia IRC channel. I've never come across any disputes involving him on the actual encyclopedia. We shouldn't punish people simply because they are unpopular.
~Mark
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Phil Sandifer a écrit:
My two cents -
What node did was stupid and immature, and he should have known that blanking an entire encyclopedia was not the way to offer his concerns. He should have posted to the list, on meta, or somewhere else that he thought the entire encyclopedia might be copyvio. It could have been discussed, and bot rollbacks wouldn't have been necessary.
As node has, to say the least, been a source of difficulty and disruption in the past, I can see why there's a significant movement to throw the book at him.
My feeling is that a project-wide ban is a very, very big step, though, and should be reserved. I think node is pretty clearly on warning here, and that further displays of such immaturity will pretty much not be tolerated by anyone.
-Snowspinner
I strongly agree with snowspinner on this.
Node certainly needs a strong warning (which should include a temporary block of course), he needs to discuss with people on this, but that does not justify imho, a ban on all projects.
I think blocking someone on all projects requires either * approval from all projects (or at least most... ) * or an offense much bigger than this one.
This does not mean I do not consider what he did was not bad, but that such a project-wide decision does not scale the fault. A project wide banning should only be made for an offense damaging the whole project. This was not the case.
anthere
On Sep 22, 2004, at 12:28 AM, Angela_ wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:11:47 -0700, Matt Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
For the edification of the rest of us, what is this regarding?
Basically, an anon IP replaced practically every page on the toki pona Wikipedia with a copyright violation template because he didn't believe the language itself was GFDL. I reverted this because I thought it was GFDL. Tim announced the vandal was node-ue and proposed a project-wide ban, Raul654 banned node-ue on en and meta, Danny convinced Raul654 to unblock him, and Sonja, the creator of the language, said toki pona "is obviously released under the GFDL". See http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-September/ 017331.html and other emails in that thread.
Angela. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
just an idea...
What about a global "arbitration committee" to manage such issues as a global ban ???
ant
Anthere a écrit:
Phil Sandifer a écrit:
My two cents -
What node did was stupid and immature, and he should have known that blanking an entire encyclopedia was not the way to offer his concerns. He should have posted to the list, on meta, or somewhere else that he thought the entire encyclopedia might be copyvio. It could have been discussed, and bot rollbacks wouldn't have been necessary.
As node has, to say the least, been a source of difficulty and disruption in the past, I can see why there's a significant movement to throw the book at him.
My feeling is that a project-wide ban is a very, very big step, though, and should be reserved. I think node is pretty clearly on warning here, and that further displays of such immaturity will pretty much not be tolerated by anyone.
-Snowspinner
I strongly agree with snowspinner on this.
Node certainly needs a strong warning (which should include a temporary block of course), he needs to discuss with people on this, but that does not justify imho, a ban on all projects.
I think blocking someone on all projects requires either
- approval from all projects (or at least most... )
- or an offense much bigger than this one.
This does not mean I do not consider what he did was not bad, but that such a project-wide decision does not scale the fault. A project wide banning should only be made for an offense damaging the whole project. This was not the case.
anthere
On Sep 22, 2004, at 12:28 AM, Angela_ wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:11:47 -0700, Matt Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
For the edification of the rest of us, what is this regarding?
Basically, an anon IP replaced practically every page on the toki pona Wikipedia with a copyright violation template because he didn't believe the language itself was GFDL. I reverted this because I thought it was GFDL. Tim announced the vandal was node-ue and proposed a project-wide ban, Raul654 banned node-ue on en and meta, Danny convinced Raul654 to unblock him, and Sonja, the creator of the language, said toki pona "is obviously released under the GFDL". See http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-September/ 017331.html and other emails in that thread.
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