Sean Barrett stated for the record: Will somebody please archive this, the Nth repetition of this particular debate, so that two weeks from now, when repetition N+1 begins, we can simply e-mail the archive to the person suggesting that we "pull up the ladder" and not let any more casual editors into our club? Well, given your rude response, I can see that you don't want casual readers of the listserve into your club on the mailing list. What gives me the right to disturb your elite palace court, right? No one wants to dissuade casual editors from editing on Wikipedia. However, vandals exist and they are problems. You and your mailing list cabal would know this if you spent more time actually articles on Wikipedia. -172 _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement