Sean Barrett stated for the record:
Will somebody please archive this, the Nth repetition of this particular debate, so that two weeks from now, when repetition N+1 begins, we can simply e-mail the archive to the person suggesting that we "pull up the ladder" and not let any more casual editors into our club?
Well, given your rude response, I can see that you don't want casual readers of the listserve into your club on the mailing list. What gives me the right to disturb your elite palace court, right?
No one wants to dissuade casual editors from editing on Wikipedia. However, vandals exist and they are problems. You and your mailing list cabal would know this if you spent more time actually articles on Wikipedia.
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Abe Sokolov stated for the record:
You and your mailing list cabal would know this if you spent more time actually articles on Wikipedia.
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I can't speak for my fellow Cabal members, but I'll be glad to compare my new-article count against yours.
Your suggestion was appropriate and appreciated. I suspect our more technically inclined mailing list posters greatly exaggerate the ease with which the average vandal (after all, their average age must be about 8) could create numerous accounts. Our experience at Wikinfo since requiring that they at least create an account has resulted in a number of dead accounts, but still a major reduction in drop-in vandalism. (But perhaps we have lost some helpful edits too).
Fred
From: "Abe Sokolov" abesokolov@hotmail.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:01:13 +0000 To: wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Registration system and blocks
No one wants to dissuade casual editors from editing on Wikipedia. However, vandals exist and they are problems. You and your mailing list cabal would know this if you spent more time actually editing articles on Wikipedia.
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Fred Bauder (fredbaud@ctelco.net) [041226 00:12]:
Your suggestion was appropriate and appreciated. I suspect our more technically inclined mailing list posters greatly exaggerate the ease with which the average vandal (after all, their average age must be about 8) could create numerous accounts. Our experience at Wikinfo since requiring that they at least create an account has resulted in a number of dead accounts, but still a major reduction in drop-in vandalism. (But perhaps we have lost some helpful edits too).
Vandals are a real problem, but the really persistent pains in the backside will observably go to some technical lengths to prove we can't beat 'em. It's a social problem that isn't susceptible to a quick technical fix.
- d.
David Gerard wrote:
Fred Bauder (fredbaud@ctelco.net) [041226 00:12]:
Your suggestion was appropriate and appreciated. I suspect our more technically inclined mailing list posters greatly exaggerate the ease with which the average vandal (after all, their average age must be about 8) could create numerous accounts. Our experience at Wikinfo since requiring that they at least create an account has resulted in a number of dead accounts, but still a major reduction in drop-in vandalism. (But perhaps we have lost some helpful edits too).
Vandals are a real problem, but the really persistent pains in the backside will observably go to some technical lengths to prove we can't beat 'em. It's a social problem that isn't susceptible to a quick technical fix.
- d.
Indeed. The problem isn't those vandals who blank a few pages and then leave. The problem is people like Irismeister and POV pushers/trolls. These people have nothing better to do than waste their own and others' time persistently.
John Lee ([[User:Johnleemk]])
You change the subject. Most of the folks you mention, after being eventually banned, do go away, at least for the term of their ban. Which goes to show that they are not here to vandalize but to set their particular stamp on the information we present. Thus they leave an identifiable footprint no matter whether they edit anonymously or using sockpuppets. Perhaps the vandal Abe was referring to falls in this category also, but we have no details other than "vandal".
Fred
From: John Lee johnleemk@gawab.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:27:13 +0800 To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Registration system and blocks
Indeed. The problem isn't those vandals who blank a few pages and then leave. The problem is people like Irismeister and POV pushers/trolls. These people have nothing better to do than waste their own and others' time persistently.
John Lee ([[User:Johnleemk]])