On 10/1/05, Anthony DiPierro wikispam@inbox.org wrote:
OK, now I'm interested. What was the article like when it was deleted? Can't we copy these things somewhere before deleting them? I'd like to include the article in Jnanabase.
I thought you were already running an automated 'bot that pumps all the articles deleted from Wikipedia into McFly?
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On 10/1/05, Daniel P. B. Smith dpbsmith@verizon.net wrote:
On 10/1/05, Anthony DiPierro wikispam@inbox.org wrote:
OK, now I'm interested. What was the article like when it was deleted? Can't we copy these things somewhere before deleting them? I'd like to include the article in Jnanabase.
I thought you were already running an automated 'bot that pumps all the articles deleted from Wikipedia into McFly?
No, that's way too hard of a thing to automate. I was able to keep it going for a while, but there are a lot of technical impediments and it just required way too much attention. Between the fact that VfD kept changing out from under me and the fact that some moron got the bright idea of creating blank pages over top of the deleted pages and then protecting them, I gave up on the bot. The cabal has spoken, they don't want me to be able to view deleted articles. In this case, information just didn't want to be free.
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Anthony DiPierro wrote:
No, that's way too hard of a thing to automate. I was able to keep it going for a while, but there are a lot of technical impediments and it just required way too much attention. Between the fact that VfD kept changing out from under me and the fact that some moron got the bright idea of creating blank pages over top of the deleted pages and then protecting them, I gave up on the bot. The cabal has spoken, they don't want me to be able to view deleted articles. In this case, information just didn't want to be free.
Who's creating blank pages over deleted pages and protecting them?
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On 10/2/05, Phroziac phroziac@gmail.com wrote:
Who's creating blank pages over deleted pages and protecting them?
Quite a few people when people wont stop recreating the page.
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geni wrote:
On 10/2/05, Phroziac phroziac@gmail.com wrote: Quite a few people when people wont stop recreating the page.
For some reason I don't think that's what he meant. Certainly we need a way to stop delete wars. I protect blank pages occasionally. The way he said it makes it sound like they're doing it just to keep people from ever re-creating it, after an afd. - -- Phroziac | /"\ Encrypted Email Preferred | \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign OpenPGP key ID: 0xC2AF5417 | X Against HTML email & vCards http://tinyurl.com/anya2 | / \
On 10/2/05, Phroziac phroziac@gmail.com wrote:
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geni wrote:
On 10/2/05, Phroziac phroziac@gmail.com wrote: Quite a few people when people wont stop recreating the page.
For some reason I don't think that's what he meant. Certainly we need a way to stop delete wars. I protect blank pages occasionally. The way he said it makes it sound like they're doing it just to keep people from ever re-creating it, after an afd.
The easiest way to stop delete wars would be to desysop the admins who get involved in them. I'm not sure why people do it (protect blank pages), all I know is it helps make it damn near impossible to collect deleted pages so they can be distributed on another site. From what I gather legitimate speedy deletion has been expanded beyond just nonsense pages as well, so without any support from an admin or a developer I'd be fighting a losing battle.
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Anthony DiPierro wrote: The easiest way to stop delete wars would be to desysop the admins who get involved in them.
I'm talking about the kind where users are repeatedly making attack pages, or some other type of vandalism, hoax, or CSDable material..
I'm not sure why people do it (protect blank pages), all I know is it helps make it damn near impossible to collect deleted pages so they can be distributed on another site. From what I gather legitimate speedy deletion has been expanded beyond just nonsense pages as well, so without any support from an admin or a developer I'd be fighting a losing battle.
It helps for the reason I just mentioned. Why does it make it impossible to collect those pages?
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On 10/2/05, Phroziac phroziac@gmail.com wrote:
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Anthony DiPierro wrote: The easiest way to stop delete wars would be to desysop the admins who
get
involved in them.
I'm talking about the kind where users are repeatedly making attack pages, or some other type of vandalism, hoax, or CSDable material..
Judging from the large number of these pages, the kludge of a "solution" doesn't seem to be working.
I'm not sure why people do it (protect blank pages), all I
know is it helps make it damn near impossible to collect deleted pages
so
they can be distributed on another site. From what I gather legitimate speedy deletion has been expanded beyond just nonsense pages as well, so without any support from an admin or a developer I'd be fighting a
losing
battle.
It helps for the reason I just mentioned. Why does it make it impossible to collect those pages?
It contributes, along with a number of other things. It makes it difficult to know whether or not a page is deleted, and it makes it difficult to find what the page looked like before it was destroyed by an admin. The only way to get the deleted pages, without being an admin, is to download every single revision of every single page as the revisions happen. It's too much work to get around something which would be much better solved in another way.
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Anthony DiPierro wrote:
Judging from the large number of these pages, the kludge of a "solution" doesn't seem to be working.
I wasn't aware there was so many before you said so. There's a list on [[WP:PP]] of those, which is *SUPPOSED* to be updated when you protect a page for that. I suspect people have simply forgotten to delete the pages again.
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