The point of the logs wasn't that this was a fluke taken out of context. It's a pretty regular occurence.
When you say "Flameviper is a notorious troll", I don't know whether to laugh at the stupidity or cry at the idea that people actually believe it. A troll? Wow, that's rich. When have I ever trolled anything? Never. I've annoyed people from time to time, but guess what? If you don't like someone, that doesn't mean you have to ban them. Ignore them and get on with life. The only reason I discuss my ban on IRC/mailing list/etc is because I'm banned. What a great self-fulfilling prophecy! Ban someone and then complain when they get pissed off because you banned them! Maybe, just maybe, if I wasn't banned, I wouldn't complain about being banned.
And secondly, "notorious"? What the fuck does that mean? It's not like you're talking about WoW, ED, the GNAA, or Blu Aardvark. On-wiki, I got a bad reputation and some people decided that I was evil. Same thing happened on IRC. Of course, everyone simply ignores the fact that I have >2,000 mainspace edits, wrote multiple articles, and wade through backlogs on a regular basis. If you acknowledged the fact that I was a legitimate contributor, you would no longer be able to label me as a "troll" and ostracize me!
The fact is, I've come back under a couple different names, and haven't done any "trolling" with either. If I'm so notorious, wouldn't I get blocked for disruption without the help of a checkuser? If someone's a perfectly normal, productive contributor, why block them?
The fact is, just because I got a bad name a while ago, a few people have taken it upon themselves to man a crusade against me, and put their personal grudges before the project.
Wikipedia is a fucking encyclopedia. If someone is editing productively and not disrupting, there is no reason to block them. Instead of bitching about pointless shit, how about we actually try *doing something*?
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On Feb 2, 2008, at 6:29 PM, Flameviper Velifang wrote:
When you say "Flameviper is a notorious troll", I don't know whether to laugh at the stupidity or cry at the idea that people actually believe it.
I dunno. When you drag a dirty laundry dispute onto wiki-en and try to obscure the fact that you're the person in the log, I have to admit, I think you come across as a bit of a troll. Maybe not notorious, as I've never heard of you before now, but you're not looking like roses here. You luck out only because John also comes across looking somewhat bad. But on the other hand, he looks like he got trolled. By you.
Now go take your trolling somewhere else before I have to moderate you for needlessly stirring up shit on the list.
-Phil
Is there a mod about?
Merc
-----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Flameviper Velifang Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 5:29 PM To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] What the fuck.
The point of the logs wasn't that this was a fluke taken out of context. It's a pretty regular occurence.
When you say "Flameviper is a notorious troll", I don't know whether to laugh at the stupidity or cry at the idea that people actually believe it. A troll? Wow, that's rich. When have I ever trolled anything? Never. I've annoyed people from time to time, but guess what? If you don't like someone, that doesn't mean you have to ban them. Ignore them and get on with life. The only reason I discuss my ban on IRC/mailing list/etc is because I'm banned. What a great self-fulfilling prophecy! Ban someone and then complain when they get pissed off because you banned them! Maybe, just maybe, if I wasn't banned, I wouldn't complain about being banned.
And secondly, "notorious"? What the fuck does that mean? It's not like you're talking about WoW, ED, the GNAA, or Blu Aardvark. On-wiki, I got a bad reputation and some people decided that I was evil. Same thing happened on IRC. Of course, everyone simply ignores the fact that I have >2,000 mainspace edits, wrote multiple articles, and wade through backlogs on a regular basis. If you acknowledged the fact that I was a legitimate contributor, you would no longer be able to label me as a "troll" and ostracize me!
The fact is, I've come back under a couple different names, and haven't done any "trolling" with either. If I'm so notorious, wouldn't I get blocked for disruption without the help of a checkuser? If someone's a perfectly normal, productive contributor, why block them?
The fact is, just because I got a bad name a while ago, a few people have taken it upon themselves to man a crusade against me, and put their personal grudges before the project.
Wikipedia is a fucking encyclopedia. If someone is editing productively and not disrupting, there is no reason to block them. Instead of bitching about pointless shit, how about we actually try *doing something*?
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On 2/3/08, NavouWiki navouwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a mod about?
Er, yes, flameviper is now moderated (again).
Steve
Rough deal, considering I'm sure many of us thought his concern was legitimate.
On 02/02/2008, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/3/08, NavouWiki navouwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a mod about?
Er, yes, flameviper is now moderated (again).
Steve
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Moderated does not mean "He is banned and cannot post anymore", it means "His posts need be preapproved" which is a difference.
Michael
On Feb 3, 2008 10:33 AM, Riana wiki.riana@gmail.com wrote:
Rough deal, considering I'm sure many of us thought his concern was legitimate.
On 02/02/2008, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/3/08, NavouWiki navouwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a mod about?
Er, yes, flameviper is now moderated (again).
Steve
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On 03/02/2008, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
Moderated does not mean "He is banned and cannot post anymore", it means "His posts need be preapproved" which is a difference.
Michael
Which means he won't be able to speak his mind. But the people in charge have spoken, so forget it.
On 03/02/2008, Riana wiki.riana@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/02/2008, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
Moderated does not mean "He is banned and cannot post anymore", it means "His posts need be preapproved" which is a difference.
Michael
Which means he won't be able to speak his mind. But the people in charge have spoken, so forget it.
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Why is he moderated? He brought up a legitimate concern about, what I saw as very inappropriate actions by an op.
On 2/3/08, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
Why is he moderated? He brought up a legitimate concern about, what I saw as very inappropriate actions by an op.
Unless I'm mistaken he's a recidivist troll on this list.
http://www.medlibrary.org/medwiki/Wikipedia:List_of_banned_users#Flameviper
Anyway, as pointed out, he's not banned, just moderated. We'll see what he has to contribute.
In general, it would probably be better if concerns about whether or not someone should be moderated were sent to wikien-l-owner. Long public discussions about whether someone is a valuable member of a community or not are pretty much the hallmark of trolling. Let's avoid those.
Steve
On 03/02/2008, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway, as pointed out, he's not banned, just moderated. We'll see what he has to contribute.
...that the mods let through, anyway.
On Feb 3, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Majorly wrote:
Why is he moderated? He brought up a legitimate concern about, what I saw as very inappropriate actions by an op.
Because he trolled an op by PM then reposted those logs to the mailing list while trying to obscure the fact that he was the person talking to John in that conversation.
The legitimacy of his concerns, in other words, was dwarfed by the utter assholery of his methodology.
-Phil
On 03/02/2008, Philip Sandifer snowspinner@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 3, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Majorly wrote:
Why is he moderated? He brought up a legitimate concern about, what I saw as very inappropriate actions by an op.
Because he trolled an op by PM then reposted those logs to the mailing list while trying to obscure the fact that he was the person talking to John in that conversation.
The legitimacy of his concerns, in other words, was dwarfed by the utter assholery of his methodology.
-Phil
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Looks like the op was trolling in that log.
On Feb 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Majorly wrote:
Looks like the op was trolling in that log.
That seems to me inconsistent with a banned user initiating a conversation with an op and then posting it to a mailing list while trying to obscure the fact that he's the person talking to the op.
-Phil
Riana,
It is a working list for the online encyclopedia, and the posts were borderline. I would hate to see it turn into a venting list.
Very respectfully,
Mercury
-----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Riana Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:25 AM To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] What the fuck.
On 03/02/2008, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
Moderated does not mean "He is banned and cannot post anymore", it means "His posts need be preapproved" which is a difference.
Michael
Which means he won't be able to speak his mind. But the people in charge have spoken, so forget it.