Unless there are objections, I intend to ban "Pizza Puzzle", who is another incarnation of Lir. Evidence:
- same editing style (lots of minor edits, lots of sections) - same language In this edit, he declares the creation of a "Pizza Puzzle Banking Consortium" and signs as "The Wiki Proletariat": http://www.wikipedia.org/w/ wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:WikiMoney&diff=1053016&oldid=1052965 - changed his user page to "HAHHAHAAH VANDAL POWER! YOU CANNOT STOP ME!" - linked a Googlism.com search for "Adam [name omitted for privacy reasons]" (Lir's real name) on James Duffy's talk page (the Googlism result is: "Adam [name omitted for privacy reasons] is a troll")
Reasons for enforcing ban:
In spite of repeated warning, persists in his annoying habit to make dozens of edits per page within an interval of seconds, e.g.:
* (cur) (last) . . M 03:54 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle * (cur) (last) . . 03:53 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle * (cur) (last) . . 03:53 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle * (cur) (last) . . 03:52 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle * (cur) (last) . . M 03:51 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle * (cur) (last) . . 03:51 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle * (cur) (last) . . M 03:49 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle * (cur) (last) . . 03:48 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle * (cur) (last) . . 03:46 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle
This is extremely annoying: clutters RC, wastes harddisk space, makes the generation of meaningful diffs more difficult.
Since Lir is already banned, I believe it should only take very little to re-ban him. I know some people think he can be reformed, but his unwillingness to change his behavior here shows otherwise.
Regards,
Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
Unless there are objections, I intend to ban "Pizza Puzzle", who is another incarnation of Lir. Evidence:
- same editing style (lots of minor edits, lots of sections)
- same language
In this edit, he declares the creation of a "Pizza Puzzle Banking Consortium" and signs as "The Wiki Proletariat": http://www.wikipedia.org/w/ wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:WikiMoney&diff=1053016&oldid=1052965
- changed his user page to "HAHHAHAAH VANDAL POWER! YOU CANNOT STOP ME!"
- linked a Googlism.com search for "Adam [name omitted for privacy reasons]" (Lir's real name) on
James Duffy's talk page (the Googlism result is: "Adam [name omitted for privacy reasons] is a troll")
Reasons for enforcing ban:
In spite of repeated warning, persists in his annoying habit to make dozens of edits per page within an interval of seconds, e.g.:
- (cur) (last) . . M 03:54 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle
- (cur) (last) . . 03:53 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle
- (cur) (last) . . 03:53 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle
- (cur) (last) . . 03:52 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle
- (cur) (last) . . M 03:51 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle
- (cur) (last) . . 03:51 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle
- (cur) (last) . . M 03:49 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle
- (cur) (last) . . 03:48 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle
- (cur) (last) . . 03:46 22 Jun 2003 . . Pizza Puzzle
This is extremely annoying: clutters RC, wastes harddisk space, makes the generation of meaningful diffs more difficult.
Since Lir is already banned, I believe it should only take very little to re-ban him. I know some people think he can be reformed, but his unwillingness to change his behavior here shows otherwise.
Regards,
Erik
I haven't had much interaction with this account, so I can't really speak for or against them. I will say that Adam hasn't told me about this account, and other than being suspiciously similar to Adam, and making lots of edits, what's the harm? If it is another incarnation of Lir, and they have the same writing style and habits, why ban them if they aren't harassing other users or defacing pages? (Or are they?)
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, cprompt wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
Unless there are objections, I intend to ban "Pizza Puzzle", who is another incarnation of Lir.
I haven't had much interaction with this account, so I can't really speak for or against them. I will say that Adam hasn't told me about this account, and other than being suspiciously similar to Adam, and making lots of edits, what's the harm? If it is another incarnation of Lir, and they have the same writing style and habits, why ban them if they aren't harassing other users or defacing pages? (Or are they?)
I have an objection. Mr. Puzzle has made quite a few useful edits, and has hardly annoyed anyone. The long sequences of small edits can become annoying, but as far as I'm aware we're not running out of disc space, and I hear rumours that we may be getting an enhanced "diff" feature in which non-consecutive page versions can be compared using radio buttons, and if that's the case then I don't think it would matter quite as much.
Oliver
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Oliver Pereira wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, cprompt wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
Unless there are objections, I intend to ban "Pizza Puzzle", who is another incarnation of Lir.
I haven't had much interaction with this account, so I can't really speak for or against them. I will say that Adam hasn't told me about this account, and other than being suspiciously similar to Adam, and making lots of edits, what's the harm? If it is another incarnation of Lir, and they have the same writing style and habits, why ban them if they aren't harassing other users or defacing pages? (Or are they?)
I have an objection. Mr. Puzzle has made quite a few useful edits, and has hardly annoyed anyone. The long sequences of small edits can become annoying, but as far as I'm aware we're not running out of disc space, and I hear rumours that we may be getting an enhanced "diff" feature in which non-consecutive page versions can be compared using radio buttons, and if that's the case then I don't think it would matter quite as much.
There has to be a way for people to redeem themselves. For Lir, leaving aside the multiple incarnation issue, the multiple small edit issue, may be an editing style that annoys some people, but looked at alone I would not consider it a banning offence. What are his other '''recent''' offences?
Ec
There has to be a way for people to redeem themselves. For Lir, leaving aside the multiple incarnation issue, the multiple small edit issue, may be an editing style that annoys some people, but looked at alone I would not consider it a banning offence. What are his other '''recent''' offences?
Ec
He knows he is banned yet is trying to be here with another phony user name. He was not patient enough to wait til ban was legitimately lifted. (Assuming it is Lir).
Fred
--- Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Oliver Pereira wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, cprompt wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
Unless there are objections, I intend to ban
"Pizza Puzzle", who is
another incarnation of Lir.
I haven't had much interaction with this account,
so I can't really
speak for or against them. I will say that Adam
hasn't told me about
this account, and other than being suspiciously
similar to Adam, and
making lots of edits, what's the harm? If it is
another incarnation of
Lir, and they have the same writing style and
habits, why ban them if
they aren't harassing other users or defacing
pages? (Or are they?)
I have an objection. Mr. Puzzle has made quite a
few useful edits, and has
hardly annoyed anyone. The long sequences of small
edits can become
annoying, but as far as I'm aware we're not running
out of disc space, and
I hear rumours that we may be getting an enhanced
"diff" feature in which
non-consecutive page versions can be compared using
radio buttons, and if
that's the case then I don't think it would matter
quite as much.
There has to be a way for people to redeem themselves. For Lir, leaving aside the multiple incarnation issue, the multiple small edit issue, may be an editing style that annoys some people, but looked at alone I would not consider it a banning offence. What are his other '''recent''' offences?
Ec
He has had no recent offences within the articles, AFAIK just on various talk pages about voting. -LDan
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Oliver-
I have an objection. Mr. Puzzle has made quite a few useful edits, and has hardly annoyed anyone. The long sequences of small edits can become annoying, but as far as I'm aware we're not running out of disc space, and I hear rumours that we may be getting an enhanced "diff" feature
*cough* I'm the person who's supposed to write that one. That might help, but still, every save takes considerable time, slows down wiki for everyone, and clutters up Recent Changes.
Maybe I'm overreacting. Still, I think that a person who is already officially banned should at least make some attempt to accommodate others if they do not want this ban to be effectively enforced.
Regards,
Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
Oliver-
I have an objection. Mr. Puzzle has made quite a few useful edits, and has hardly annoyed anyone. The long sequences of small edits can become annoying, but as far as I'm aware we're not running out of disc space, and I hear rumours that we may be getting an enhanced "diff" feature
*cough* I'm the person who's supposed to write that one. That might help, but still, every save takes considerable time, slows down wiki for everyone, and clutters up Recent Changes.
Using the "Enhanced recent changes" really helps getting the Recent Changes flood under control :-)
Magnus
--- Erik Moeller erik_moeller@gmx.de wrote:
Magnus-
Using the "Enhanced recent changes" really helps
getting the Recent
Changes flood under control :-)
I use it, but it's not the default and doesn't work in every browser. Last I checked, only 362 of 11474 users used it.
Regards,
Erik
I like that feature, but is there any way you could impliment it for newpages, making the whole history drop down with those same arrows? That would be very useful, as I use newpages much more often than recentchanges. -LDan
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Erik Moeller wrote:
Magnus-
Using the "Enhanced recent changes" really helps getting the Recent Changes flood under control :-)
I use it, but it's not the default and doesn't work in every browser. Last I checked, only 362 of 11474 users used it.
That 11474 includes many people who only stay a short while. Most of the regulars should know about it.
Ec
--- Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
Magnus-
Using the "Enhanced recent changes" really helps
getting the Recent
Changes flood under control :-)
I use it, but it's not the default and doesn't work
in every browser. Last
I checked, only 362 of 11474 users used it.
That 11474 includes many people who only stay a short while. Most of the regulars should know about it.
Ec
I didn't know about it until just now. But on a side note, is there any way we could delete accounts that have been vacant for, say, a year, automatically? We really have a bloated membership count, so the media keeps using the 'wikipedians' count. -LDan
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Daniel Ehrenberg wrote:
--- Ray Saintonge wrote:
That 11474 includes many people who only stay a short while. Most of the regulars should know about it.
Ec
I didn't know about it until just now. But on a side note, is there any way we could delete accounts that have been vacant for, say, a year, automatically? We really have a bloated membership count, so the media keeps using the 'wikipedians' count..
An inactive list might be better. They would keep their user names indefinitely with their rights of access intact. All they would need to do to get back on the active list is edit something. Even editing their own preferences would do. Maybe just logging in would do.
Ec
At 05:04 22/06/2003 +0200, Erik wrote:
Unless there are objections, I intend to ban "Pizza Puzzle", who is another incarnation of Lir.
[snip]
Reasons for enforcing ban:
In spite of repeated warning, persists in his annoying habit to make dozens of edits per page within an interval of seconds,
Banning somebody for making too many edits to one article in too short a space of time is pretty draconian. I don't think it's even close to a a good reason for banning.
I don't know if Pizza Puzzle is Lir, incidentally. Whether he is or not, he's behaved reasonably up to now (so it seems to me), and if this is the only thing he's done wrong... well, as I say, I don't think it's a good enough reason to ban somebody.
(I'm a bit late with this reply by the way - I wrote it at the weekend and forgot to send it until I saw Oliver P's post just now.)
Lee (Camembert)