Corollery to Loom91's First Law ([[WP:RAUL]]) states "Whatever must pass for the Truth on WIkipedia is necessarily determined by consensus". As for obviousness and common sense, Wikipedia's article on [[Ball]] begins with "A ball is a round or spherical object that is used most often in sports and games." Should that be removed because it's obvious (much more obvious than Plot Summaries containing spoilers, which is not particularly obvious)? An encyclopedia necessarily repeats the obvious for the sake of completeness.
Moreover, there are supposed to be two separate Plot sections in an article on a novel ([[WIkipedia:WIkiProject NOvels]]) one of which is spoiler while the other is not. Expecting the reader to make the call is unfair and totally unnecessary. Any editor is bound to abide by consensus even when he/she disagrees with, otherwise consensus becomes meaningless. I'm sure no one will approve if I suddenly go about recreating userboxes deleted under T1. I again appeal to the editors who disagree with spoiler notices to give us a list of articles form which they have removed spoiler notices as a token of their good faith.
Molu
On Fri, 19 May 2006 20:22:49 +1000 "Peter Mackay" wrote:
Consensus can be an ass. If the section is headed "Plot summary", then if >it *didn't* contain details about the plot, it should be called something else. Why do we need a spoiler warning in such a case? It's like picking up a packet of peanuts and seeing a warning notice: "Caution, may contain >nuts."
I'm not against spoiler notices where appropriate, but surely common sense should come into where they are needed and where they are not!
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On May 19, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Molu wrote:
Corollery to Loom91's First Law ([[WP:RAUL]]) states "Whatever must pass for the Truth on WIkipedia is necessarily determined by consensus". As for obviousness and common sense, Wikipedia's article on [[Ball]] begins with "A ball is a round or spherical object that is used most often in sports and games." Should that be removed because it's obvious (much more obvious than Plot Summaries containing spoilers, which is not particularly obvious)? An encyclopedia necessarily repeats the obvious for the sake of completeness.
Yeah, and if someone with no idea what a ball was looked up "ball", they better have a way to quickly find out. If someone with no idea that Citizen Kane was a movie looked up that article and saw a heading called "Plot summary", they would *already know* that the following information contained plot details. There's no need to tell them twice.
I think the {{spoiler}} template, if used at all, should only be used to guard actual spoilers--i.e. "Darth Vader is Luke's father", "Rosebud is his sled", the end of any M. Night Shymalan film, etc.
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Philip Welch stated for the record:
I think the {{spoiler}} template, if used at all, should only be used to guard actual spoilers--i.e. "Darth Vader is Luke's father", "Rosebud is his sled", the end of any M. Night Shymalan film, etc.
Zeus impregnates the mortal chick.
The horse is full of soldiers.
Beowulf kills Grendel.
Lancelot and Gwenevere hump like bunnies.
The Nazis lose.
I'm sure there's more.
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Sean Barrett wrote:
Philip Welch stated for the record:
I think the {{spoiler}} template, if used at all, should only be used to guard actual spoilers--i.e. "Darth Vader is Luke's father", "Rosebud is his sled", the end of any M. Night Shymalan film, etc.
Zeus impregnates the mortal chick.
The horse is full of soldiers.
Beowulf kills Grendel.
Lancelot and Gwenevere hump like bunnies.
The Nazis lose.
I'm sure there's more.
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Template:Spoiler
On 5/19/06, Philip Welch wikipedia@philwelch.net wrote:
"Rosebud is his sled"
Spoiler warnings, *please*! Some of us haven't watched the movie yet.