Given the conduct of at least one arbitrator, my own view is that anyone should be able to unconditionally challenge and reject at least two arbitrators, without cause, much as jury challenges work.
I'm thinking, for example, of an arbitrator who appeared happy that an arbcom interim action would prevent someone from standing in the arbcom elections, because they were (at least in the view of that arbitrator) prohibited from editing the page to indicate their candidacy.
Given that, it seems wise to provide an easy way to eliminate those who do not do the right thing and recuse themselves when appropriate.
I wonder... has James F actually used his admin capabilities recently? Wondering if it might be an idea to keep arbitrators at arms length from all but essential enforcement, and have the arbitrators who opposed a particular penaly be the ones acting to enforce it, at least if the decision was close.
-----Original Message----- From: "Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales" jwales@wikia.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:03:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Questions about recusal
Has everyone voted? If you've still not voted, please consider doing so today. :-)
James Rosenzweig wrote:
what do we feel are legitimate grounds for recusal as an arbitrator, and what may a user legitimately demand to know about an arbitrator when the user is considering asking them to recuse?
I would say that if you've been involved personally in a dispute with someone, you should recuse from the case. Add to that I guess any case where you personally feel that either your own neutrality would be too difficult to sustain, or where there could be a significant appearance of impropriety.
I would suggest pretty strongly of course that ArbCom members try to be exemplars of kindness and thoughtfulness in day to day actions, so as to reduce any perception that you've got a vendetta or whatever. You in particular are *very very* good about this in my opinion. :-)
I think a very good example we can look to is that of James F, who has in his own words become "increasingly Wikignomic" in his editing over the past year. What this means is explained here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_gnome
What this means, in my opinion, because he's never said such a thing, is that he's better able to function as an arbitrator because he's basically been steering clear of the sort of edits that can land you in combat with the trolls and POV pushers. A wise way for an arbitrator.
Has everyone voted?
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Wondering if it might be an idea to keep arbitrators at arms length
from all >but essential enforcement, and have the arbitrators who opposed a particular >penaly be the ones acting to enforce it, at least if the decision was close.
Actually it's been my experience that admins do the enforcing, not the arbitrators. Except in an emergency, I don't see any need for the arbitrators to enforce thier decisions. There has never been a case ( to my knowledge) where there aren't any admins willing to enforce an AC ruling, and i don't think there is any realistic chance of that happening in the future.
Theresa
Could i just humbly request that people stop refering to people by actions and not by names. It really doesnt give anonimity to those in the know ("the cabal" :P), and to those who are not in the know, it just makes them feel excluded and also makes futher research into what has been said very difficult. I write this in reply not just to jamesday, but to several different people on different threads reacently.
thanks, [[User:The bellman]]
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:37:24 -0500, user_Jamesday user_Jamesday@myrealbox.com wrote:
I'm thinking, for example, of an arbitrator who appeared happy that an arbcom interim >action would prevent someone from standing in the arbcom elections, because they were >(at least in the view of that arbitrator) prohibited from editing the page to indicate their >candidacy.