Sorry if someone posted this already, but I didn't see it. The current issue of Nature has a reply to Britannica. It is subscription-only so giving a link won't help. There is an editorial and a slightly longer reply that does not need subscription (see link near the end of the editorial).
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Nature 440, 582 (30 March 2006) | doi:10.1038/440582b
Britannica attacks ... and we respond.
Last December, Nature published a News story about the accuracy of two online references sources. We compared the website of an established publication, Encyclopaedia Britannica, with that of Wikipedia, a new kind of online encyclopaedia that anyone can edit and update, regardless of expertise.
The result (see Nature 438, 900901; 2005) surprised us, and many others. Forty-two expert reviewers carried out the comparison. After we had tallied their results, we saw that they had picked up errors (the great majority of them minor) at a rate of about three per online Britannica item and about four per Wikipedia item.
Last week, Encyclopaedia Britannica issued a statement (http://corporate.britannica.com/britannica_nature_response.pdf), and this week published a half-page advertisement in the London Times criticizing our study and demanding that we retract our story.
Britannica complains that we did not check the errors that our reviewers identified, and that some of them are not errors at all. We disagree with their claims in some of the cases (others are too specialized for an immediate response), but there is a more important point to make. Our reviewers may have made some mistakes we have been open about our methodology and never claimed otherwise but the entries they reviewed were blinded: they did not know which entry came from Wikipedia and which from Britannica. We see no reason to believe that any misidentifications of errors would adversely affect one publication more than the other. And of the 123 purported errors in question, Britannica takes issue with fewer than half.
Another Britannica criticism concerns the fact that we provided material from other Britannica publications, such as the Britannica Book of the Year. This was deliberate: the aim of our story, as we made clear, was to compare the online material available from Britannica and Wikipedia. When users search Britannica online, they get results from several Britannica publications. They have no reason to think that any one is less reliable than the others. In the case of some year-book entries, Britannica itself asks readers to reference the articles as coming from "Encyclopaedia Britannica Online" exactly the source we set out to compare.
Other objections are simply incorrect. The company has, for example, claimed that in one case we sent a reviewer material that did not come from any Britannica publication. When the company made this point to us in private we asked for details, but it provided none. Now Britannica has identified the review in question as being on ethanol. We have checked the original e-mail that we sent to the reviewer who looked at the Britannica article on ethanol, and it is clear to us that all the reviewer's comments refer to specific paragraphs from Britannica.
Our responses to the points raised by Britannica in its original online posting and in its subsequent advertisement can be found at http://www.nature.com/press_releases/Britannica_response.pdf. Our comparison was unbiased, and we reject Britannica's allegation that we have acted in a dishonest manner. We stand by the story.
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On 4/3/06, zero 0000 nought_0000@yahoo.com wrote:
Sorry if someone posted this already, but I didn't see it.
Don't think so. Thanks!
publication more than the other. And of the 123 purported errors in question, Britannica takes issue with fewer than half.
This is very interesting - I had completely missed this when I read the Britannica response. I thought they rejected almost everything.
Steve
zero 0000 wrote:
Sorry if someone posted this already, but I didn't see it. The current issue of Nature has a reply to Britannica.
It was briefly mentioned in the Signpost... or #wikipedia... or something :)
Aha! [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2006-03-27/Britannica]]
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zero 0000 wrote:
Sorry if someone posted this already, but I didn't see it. The current issue of Nature has a reply to Britannica. It is subscription-only so giving a link won't help. There is an editorial and a slightly longer reply that does not need subscription (see link near the end of the editorial).
I think it's about time to start [[Nature-Britannica dispute]].
Ruud
If people are going to refer to Wikipedia articles on this mailing list, could they please give the full URL? Giving a wiki-style link in an email doesn't help because this mailing list isn't on the wiki.
Tony Sidaway wrote:
If people are going to refer to Wikipedia articles on this mailing list, could they please give the full URL? Giving a wiki-style link in an email doesn't help because this mailing list isn't on the wiki.
I was once going to make the simple feature request that the MediaWiki software accept [[Article names]] and {{Template names}} in the search box, and translate them into "Article names" and "Template:Template names" automatically. But that would be silly.
Anyway, Tony, people like me just use [[ ]] notation because we're lazy, not because we use some magic software that makes it work. Although a greasemonkey script to do it would probably be about 5 lines.
Steve
On 4/3/06, Tony Sidaway f.crdfa@gmail.com wrote:
If people are going to refer to Wikipedia articles on this mailing list, could they please give the full URL? Giving a wiki-style link in an email doesn't help because this mailing list isn't on the wiki.
Rudy Koot wrote:
zero 0000 wrote:
Sorry if someone posted this already, but I didn't see it. The current issue of Nature has a reply to Britannica. It is subscription-only so giving a link won't help. There is an editorial and a slightly longer reply that does not need subscription (see link near the end of the editorial).
I think it's about time to start [[Nature-Britannica dispute]].
There are times when the most eloquent response is silence.
Ec
G'day Ray,
Rudy Koot wrote:
zero 0000 wrote:
Sorry if someone posted this already, but I didn't see it. The current issue of Nature has a reply to Britannica. It is subscription-only so giving a link won't help. There is an editorial and a slightly longer reply that does not need subscription (see link near the end of the editorial).
I think it's about time to start [[Nature-Britannica dispute]].
There are times when the most eloquent response is silence.
Bang on. They're digging their own grave so enthusiastically that it would be just wrong to try to help ...
zero 0000 wrote:
The current issue of Nature has a reply to Britannica.
Zero.
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Editorial
Last week, Encyclopaedia Britannica issued a statement, ... and this week published a half-page advertisement in the London Times criticizing our study and demanding that we retract our story.
It seems that management at EB has been taken over by PR experts and gravediggers rather than encyclopedia editors.
Ec
Ray Saintonge wrote:
zero 0000 wrote:
The current issue of Nature has a reply to Britannica.
Zero.
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Editorial
Last week, Encyclopaedia Britannica issued a statement, ... and this week published a half-page advertisement in the London Times criticizing our study and demanding that we retract our story.
It seems that management at EB has been taken over by PR experts and gravediggers rather than encyclopedia editors.
So, the rumours of Britannica being taken over by Wikimedia are false then :)
Alphax (Wikipedia email) wrote:
Ray Saintonge wrote:
zero 0000 wrote:
The current issue of Nature has a reply to Britannica.
Zero.
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Editorial
Last week, Encyclopaedia Britannica issued a statement, ... and this week published a half-page advertisement in the London Times criticizing our study and demanding that we retract our story.
It seems that management at EB has been taken over by PR experts and gravediggers rather than encyclopedia editors.
So, the rumours of Britannica being taken over by Wikimedia are false then :)
The way their management is carrying on that may be the only way to save EB.
Ec