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David Gerard

18 Aug 2006 18 Aug '06

8:36 a.m.

Does anyone know anything about this? http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=462 Presumably it's not the whole thing, but a production-ready subset. - d.

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Steve Bennett

18 Aug 18 Aug

8:48 a.m.

On 8/18/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Does anyone know anything about this? http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=462

No, but this caught my eye: "We might query the way in which entries are sorted, putting Hercules the TV character above Hercules the mythological figure, for example." I wonder what that refers to? [[Hercules]] certainly isn't like that, and [[Hercules (disambiguation)]] technically puts the main article first (though it's hard to see compared to all the other links). Maybe that's some weird aspect of the Webaroo search mechanism? Steve

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Oskar Sigvardsson

9:24 a.m.

On 8/18/06, Steve Bennett <stevagewp(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/18/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Does anyone know anything about this? http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=462

No, but this caught my eye: "We might query the way in which entries are sorted, putting Hercules the TV character above Hercules the mythological figure, for example." I wonder what that refers to? [[Hercules]] certainly isn't like that, and [[Hercules (disambiguation)]] technically puts the main article first (though it's hard to see compared to all the other links). Maybe that's some weird aspect of the Webaroo search mechanism? Steve

Even wierder, we don't have an article about Hercules the TV character! Which is very strange, since we have articles on basically all characters to appear in popular fiction (just look at [[Will Hunting]] fer chrissakes). We do have an article on the TV show, but isn't sorted first either alphabetically or chronologically. --Oskar

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Steve Bennett

9:41 a.m.

On 8/18/06, Oskar Sigvardsson <oskarsigvardsson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Even wierder, we don't have an article about Hercules the TV character! Which is very strange, since we have articles on basically all characters to appear in popular fiction (just look at [[Will Hunting]] fer chrissakes). We do have an article on the TV show, but isn't sorted first either alphabetically or chronologically.

We have a couple of weird instances where characters are blended with the show/book about them. See [[Asterix]] for a good example - the article is mostly about the series (despite the dablink "This article is about the comic book character"), and has very little about him - less than the content of [[Obelix]], for instance. It probably comes down to editors blurring the two concepts in their minds. Or maybe sometimes the concepts are blurry - what *would* you write about Hercules the TV character? Mostly you would want to describe the relationship between him and the "real" Hercules, but you might as well describe the faithfulness of the whole Hercules TV show to the whole Hercules legend. Dunno. Steve

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Alphax (Wikipedia email)

19 Aug 19 Aug

9:34 a.m.

Steve Bennett wrote:

On 8/18/06, Oskar Sigvardsson <oskarsigvardsson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Even wierder, we don't have an article about Hercules the TV character! Which is very strange, since we have articles on basically all characters to appear in popular fiction (just look at [[Will Hunting]] fer chrissakes). We do have an article on the TV show, but isn't sorted first either alphabetically or chronologically.

We have a couple of weird instances where characters are blended with the show/book about them. See [[Asterix]] for a good example - the article is mostly about the series (despite the dablink "This article is about the comic book character"), and has very little about him - less than the content of [[Obelix]], for instance. It probably comes down to editors blurring the two concepts in their minds. Or maybe sometimes the concepts are blurry - what *would* you write about Hercules the TV character? Mostly you would want to describe the relationship between him and the "real" Hercules, but you might as well describe the faithfulness of the whole Hercules TV show to the whole Hercules legend. Dunno.

A good example of where it's appropriate to split a TV show from the title character is [[Doctor (Doctor Who)]] vs. [[Doctor Who]]. Something like Hercules just doesn't have the material to split the character from the show. -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP

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Oskar Sigvardsson

10:06 a.m.

On 8/19/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Steve Bennett wrote:

On 8/18/06, Oskar Sigvardsson <oskarsigvardsson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Even wierder, we don't have an article about Hercules the TV character! Which is very strange, since we have articles on basically all characters to appear in popular fiction (just look at [[Will Hunting]] fer chrissakes). We do have an article on the TV show, but isn't sorted first either alphabetically or chronologically.

We have a couple of weird instances where characters are blended with the show/book about them. See [[Asterix]] for a good example - the article is mostly about the series (despite the dablink "This article is about the comic book character"), and has very little about him - less than the content of [[Obelix]], for instance. It probably comes down to editors blurring the two concepts in their minds. Or maybe sometimes the concepts are blurry - what *would* you write about Hercules the TV character? Mostly you would want to describe the relationship between him and the "real" Hercules, but you might as well describe the faithfulness of the whole Hercules TV show to the whole Hercules legend. Dunno.

A good example of where it's appropriate to split a TV show from the title character is [[Doctor (Doctor Who)]] vs. [[Doctor Who]]. Something like Hercules just doesn't have the material to split the character from the show.

I don't think so, both [[Xena]] and [[Gabrielle (Xena)]] have their own articles, both pretty decent (if crufty). I haven't seen more than a couple of episodes of Xena and Hercules, but Herc-man should be able to pull off a couple of paragraphs, right? To take another example (from a show I have watched, religiously, and several times), [[Buffy Summers]], [[Xander Harris]], [[Willow Rosenberg]], and, my personal favourite, [[Tara Maclay]] all have their own articles (throw any accusations at me, I'm proud of my Buffy obsession!). Going by that precedent, surely My Man Hercfrey could have an article? --Oskar

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Steve Bennett

11:31 a.m.

On 8/19/06, Oskar Sigvardsson <oskarsigvardsson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think so, both [[Xena]] and [[Gabrielle (Xena)]] have their own articles, both pretty decent (if crufty). I haven't seen more than a couple of episodes of Xena and Hercules, but Herc-man should be able to pull off a couple of paragraphs, right? To take another example (from a show I have watched, religiously, and several times), [[Buffy Summers]], [[Xander Harris]], [[Willow Rosenberg]], and, my personal favourite, [[Tara Maclay]] all have their own articles (throw any accusations at me, I'm proud of my Buffy obsession!). Going by that precedent, surely My Man Hercfrey could have an article?

Yes, for me it's safe to say that once there is a single article about another character in the show, there should be a separate article about the title character. Given that the title character is guaranteed to be in episode, and probably almost every scene, there ought to be plenty to write about. Let's do a random survey: [[Get Smart]] ([[Maxwell Smart]] is a redirect, although [[Agent 99]] exists) [[Bilbo Baggins]] has his own article separate from [[The Hobbit]] [[Inspector Gadget]] (no separate article, although [[Brain (Inspector Gadget)]] exists Jerry Seinfeld is a very special case: We have [[Seinfeld]], [[Jerry Seinfeld (character)]] and [[Jerry Seinfeld]]. Drawing a bit of a blank for other examples... Steve

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Florence Devouard

18 Aug 18 Aug

10:47 a.m.

New subject: [Wmfcc-l] Webaroo package of en: wikipedia?

David Gerard wrote:

Does anyone know anything about this? http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=462 Presumably it's not the whole thing, but a production-ready subset. - d. _______________________________________________ Wmfcc-l mailing list Wmfcc-l(a)mail.wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wmfcc-l

The publisher gave a lightning talk about it at Wikimania and left some CDs of demo in the press room as well. I could not give it a look as it is not a mac-friendly product. Ant

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Andrew Lih

19 Aug 19 Aug

12:31 a.m.

David, Ann Burgraff of Webaroo was at Wikimania 2006 in Boston, and she gave a very quick Lightning Talk about Webaroo and handed out DVDs of their product. Windows only unfortunately, but pretty neat. -Andrew (User:Fuzheado) On 8/18/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Does anyone know anything about this? http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=462 Presumably it's not the whole thing, but a production-ready subset. - d. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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David Gerard

9:17 a.m.

New subject: [Wmfcc-l] Webaroo package of en: wikipedia?

On 19/08/06, Andrew Lih <andrew.lih(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Ann Burgraff of Webaroo was at Wikimania 2006 in Boston, and she gave a very quick Lightning Talk about Webaroo and handed out DVDs of their product. Windows only unfortunately, but pretty neat.

So is it most/all of en:? Some of en:? - d.

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Alphax (Wikipedia email)
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