In a discussion elsewhere [1], the question of how WIkipedia compares for neutrality with other encyclopedias came up.
We've been compared with other encyclopedias for accuracy before. Has anyone ever tried to compare us on neutrality? Or whatever roughly-synonymous measure doesn't automatically bias the test towards Wikipedia, which has it as a fundamental content policy.
Compare Britannica. They've never touted themselves as neutral - they've touted themselves as *authoritative*.[2] The Wikipedia article on EB notes that EB has been increasingly lauded as less culturally biased with time, though it occurs to me that's just the sort of aspect a Wikipedia writer would note.
And how good a proxy for what readers actually want is neutrality? I think it's excellent, but I could be wrong. Do readers actually just want to be told?
How would you compare the neutrality of Wikipedia with that of something else, in a meaningful and useful manner, such that the framing of the question doesn't necessarily pick the winner before you've started?
- d.
[1] http://lesswrong.com/lw/5ho/seq_rerun_politics_is_the_mindkiller/422w [2] Modulo the EB content disclaimer, which makes ours look mild.
Well I can tell you for a fact that the articles about kosovo are not neutral at all, mike
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
In a discussion elsewhere [1], the question of how WIkipedia compares for neutrality with other encyclopedias came up.
We've been compared with other encyclopedias for accuracy before. Has anyone ever tried to compare us on neutrality? Or whatever roughly-synonymous measure doesn't automatically bias the test towards Wikipedia, which has it as a fundamental content policy.
Compare Britannica. They've never touted themselves as neutral - they've touted themselves as *authoritative*.[2] The Wikipedia article on EB notes that EB has been increasingly lauded as less culturally biased with time, though it occurs to me that's just the sort of aspect a Wikipedia writer would note.
And how good a proxy for what readers actually want is neutrality? I think it's excellent, but I could be wrong. Do readers actually just want to be told?
How would you compare the neutrality of Wikipedia with that of something else, in a meaningful and useful manner, such that the framing of the question doesn't necessarily pick the winner before you've started?
- d.
[1] http://lesswrong.com/lw/5ho/seq_rerun_politics_is_the_mindkiller/422w [2] Modulo the EB content disclaimer, which makes ours look mild.
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In your completely neutral opinion, of course.
On 30 April 2011 19:58, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
Well I can tell you for a fact that the articles about kosovo are not neutral at all, mike
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
In a discussion elsewhere [1], the question of how WIkipedia compares for neutrality with other encyclopedias came up.
We've been compared with other encyclopedias for accuracy before. Has anyone ever tried to compare us on neutrality? Or whatever roughly-synonymous measure doesn't automatically bias the test towards Wikipedia, which has it as a fundamental content policy.
Compare Britannica. They've never touted themselves as neutral - they've touted themselves as *authoritative*.[2] The Wikipedia article on EB notes that EB has been increasingly lauded as less culturally biased with time, though it occurs to me that's just the sort of aspect a Wikipedia writer would note.
And how good a proxy for what readers actually want is neutrality? I think it's excellent, but I could be wrong. Do readers actually just want to be told?
How would you compare the neutrality of Wikipedia with that of something else, in a meaningful and useful manner, such that the framing of the question doesn't necessarily pick the winner before you've started?
- d.
[1] http://lesswrong.com/lw/5ho/seq_rerun_politics_is_the_mindkiller/422w [2] Modulo the EB content disclaimer, which makes ours look mild.
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Well I would love to provide you very very examples of where I attempted to fix the problems there. The wikpedia loves to claim being NPOV but in fact in kosovo there is a total bent, just compare the de.en,sq and sr wikis via translation, each of them has its own POV and subscribes to some side. if you are really interested in this I can tell you more. mike
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:08 PM, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
In your completely neutral opinion, of course.
On 30 April 2011 19:58, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
Well I can tell you for a fact that the articles about kosovo are not neutral at all, mike
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
In a discussion elsewhere [1], the question of how WIkipedia compares for neutrality with other encyclopedias came up.
We've been compared with other encyclopedias for accuracy before. Has anyone ever tried to compare us on neutrality? Or whatever roughly-synonymous measure doesn't automatically bias the test towards Wikipedia, which has it as a fundamental content policy.
Compare Britannica. They've never touted themselves as neutral - they've touted themselves as *authoritative*.[2] The Wikipedia article on EB notes that EB has been increasingly lauded as less culturally biased with time, though it occurs to me that's just the sort of aspect a Wikipedia writer would note.
And how good a proxy for what readers actually want is neutrality? I think it's excellent, but I could be wrong. Do readers actually just want to be told?
How would you compare the neutrality of Wikipedia with that of something else, in a meaningful and useful manner, such that the framing of the question doesn't necessarily pick the winner before you've started?
- d.
[1] http://lesswrong.com/lw/5ho/seq_rerun_politics_is_the_mindkiller/422w [2] Modulo the EB content disclaimer, which makes ours look mild.
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I'm not interested. That's the point. You've been whining about this on here for months.
On 2 May 2011 18:06, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
Well I would love to provide you very very examples of where I attempted to fix the problems there. The wikpedia loves to claim being NPOV but in fact in kosovo there is a total bent, just compare the de.en,sq and sr wikis via translation, each of them has its own POV and subscribes to some side. if you are really interested in this I can tell you more. mike
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:08 PM, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
In your completely neutral opinion, of course.
On 30 April 2011 19:58, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
Well I can tell you for a fact that the articles about kosovo are not neutral at all, mike
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
In a discussion elsewhere [1], the question of how WIkipedia compares for neutrality with other encyclopedias came up.
We've been compared with other encyclopedias for accuracy before. Has anyone ever tried to compare us on neutrality? Or whatever roughly-synonymous measure doesn't automatically bias the test towards Wikipedia, which has it as a fundamental content policy.
Compare Britannica. They've never touted themselves as neutral - they've touted themselves as *authoritative*.[2] The Wikipedia article on EB notes that EB has been increasingly lauded as less culturally biased with time, though it occurs to me that's just the sort of aspect a Wikipedia writer would note.
And how good a proxy for what readers actually want is neutrality? I think it's excellent, but I could be wrong. Do readers actually just want to be told?
How would you compare the neutrality of Wikipedia with that of something else, in a meaningful and useful manner, such that the framing of the question doesn't necessarily pick the winner before you've started?
- d.
[1] http://lesswrong.com/lw/5ho/seq_rerun_politics_is_the_mindkiller/422w [2] Modulo the EB content disclaimer, which makes ours look mild.
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Well I would love to provide you very very examples of where I attempted to fix the problems there. The wikpedia loves to claim being NPOV but in fact in kosovo there is a total bent, just compare the de.en,sq and sr wikis via translation, each of them has its own POV and subscribes to some side. if you are really interested in this I can tell you more. mike
But does anybody else do any better? We are on mission impossible sometimes.
Fred
Ok, if you are not interested then I wont bother you with it, there are better things to do. thanks, mike
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
Well I would love to provide you very very examples of where I attempted to fix the problems there. The wikpedia loves to claim being NPOV but in fact in kosovo there is a total bent, just compare the de.en,sq and sr wikis via translation, each of them has its own POV and subscribes to some side. if you are really interested in this I can tell you more. mike
But does anybody else do any better? We are on mission impossible sometimes.
Fred
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