I have made several attempts to update/correct articles on Wikipedia, and have received the following message, or some variation of it:
You have attempted to edit a page, either by clicking the "edit this page" tab or by following a red link.
Your user name or IP address has been http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policyblocked by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JayjgJayjg.
The reason given is this: massive vandalism from this range from banned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AlberuniUser:Alberuni; we apologise for the inconvenience
You can http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Jayjgemail Jayjg or one of the other http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_administratorsadministrators to discuss the block. You may also edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Mytalkyour user talk page if you wish. If you believe that our http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policyblocking policy was violated, you may discuss the block publicly on the http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-lWikiEN-l mailing list. Note that you may not use the "email this user" feature unless you have a Wikipedia account and a valid email address registered in your http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferencesuser preferences.
Your IP address is 4.153.217.166. Please include this address, along with your username, in any queries you make.
What is interesting, every time I get this message, the IP address given is different. Also, I don't even know who this jerk Alberuni is! I don't even have an official Wikipedia name!
I have hunted and hunted and hunted and hunted and hunted for people to contact, and finally, after numerous e-mails and what seemed like one big wild goose chase, I received the suggestion that I subscribe to WikiEN-L. Also, I cannot find any way to contact Jayjg and ask that this block be removed.
Can anybody get me unblocked? I have made changes to Wikipedia, but all of them have been positive and good! Besides, during their fund drive I gave the foundation $20.
- Freya Harris Atlanta, GA
On 9/25/05, Freya cybercat@redjellyfish.net wrote:
Can anybody get me unblocked? I have made changes to Wikipedia, but all of them have been positive and good!
The block was set on the 26 of august and set to expire after one month. Going by th blocked ip list they have expired.
-- geni
Jayjg set an IP block on this range for one month, which I think was a huge mistake since it appears to be a dialup pool and a lot of people were affected. I didn't find out about it until a few hours before the block expired though, or I would have reversed it. Sorry about the throuble.
- Ryan
On 9/28/05, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/25/05, Freya cybercat@redjellyfish.net wrote:
Can anybody get me unblocked? I have made changes to Wikipedia, but all of them have been positive and good!
The block was set on the 26 of august and set to expire after one month. Going by th blocked ip list they have expired.
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From: Ryan Delaney ryan.delaney@gmail.com On 9/28/05, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/25/05, Freya cybercat@redjellyfish.net wrote:
Can anybody get me unblocked? I have made changes to Wikipedia, but all of them have been positive and good!
The block was set on the 26 of august and set to expire after one month. Going by th blocked ip list they have expired.
-- geni
Jayjg set an IP block on this range for one month, which I think was a huge mistake since it appears to be a dialup pool and a lot of people were affected. I didn't find out about it until a few hours before the block expired though, or I would have reversed it. Sorry about the throuble.
- Ryan
Ryan, how would you suggest dealing with a banned user who has, in the 6 months since his ban, been continually coming back to Wikipedia and disruptively editing using almost 50 different sockpuppets (some extremely sophisticated) and almost 20 different IP addresses? I refer you to [[User:Jayjg/Alberuni]] for more detail.
Jay.
JAY JG wrote:
Ryan, how would you suggest dealing with a banned user who has, in the 6 months since his ban, been continually coming back to Wikipedia and disruptively editing using almost 50 different sockpuppets (some extremely sophisticated) and almost 20 different IP addresses? I refer you to [[User:Jayjg/Alberuni]] for more detail.
Jay.
Contact his ISP. If that doesn't work, do our best to block individually and revert the damage. Innocent people shouldn't be blocked for a month because of what one person did.
- Ryan
From: Ryan Delaney ryan.delaney@gmail.com
JAY JG wrote:
Ryan, how would you suggest dealing with a banned user who has, in the 6 months since his ban, been continually coming back to Wikipedia and disruptively editing using almost 50 different sockpuppets (some extremely sophisticated) and almost 20 different IP addresses? I refer you to [[User:Jayjg/Alberuni]] for more detail.
Jay.
Contact his ISP.
ISPs don't appear to care.
If that doesn't work, do our best to block individually and revert the damage. Innocent people shouldn't be blocked for a month because of what one person did.
He was able to get new IPs every couple of minutes; at one point he was blocked over a dozen times in a couple of hours. Individual IP blocks weren't working.
Jay.
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, JAY JG wrote:
From: Ryan Delaney ryan.delaney@gmail.com
JAY JG wrote:
Ryan, how would you suggest dealing with a banned user who has, in the 6 months since his ban, been continually coming back to Wikipedia and disruptively editing using almost 50 different sockpuppets (some extremely sophisticated) and almost 20 different IP addresses? I refer you to [[User:Jayjg/Alberuni]] for more detail.
Jay.
Contact his ISP.
ISPs don't appear to care.
ISPs care more than they might appear/you might think. The secret is finding the person at a given ISP who will do something about it.
If that doesn't work, do our best to block individually and revert the damage. Innocent people shouldn't be blocked for a month because of what one person did.
He was able to get new IPs every couple of minutes; at one point he was blocked over a dozen times in a couple of hours. Individual IP blocks weren't working.
Well, next time you (or anyone else for that matter) need to ban an entire range of IP addresses, please leave a note explaining why you did this either here on WikiEN-L or at WP:AN/I. That way when reasonable people complain that they can't edit (you usually tell that they're reasonable because they don't claim to be the wronged victim of a "rogue admin" or whatever phrase strikes their fancy), we can explain to them what the problem is & to put the pressure on their ISP to drop the problem user.
Note: I am not condemning Jay for his actions: I think they fall under the "Be bold" guideline, & at most he should be given a warning. If I had been playing a drawn-out game of whack-a-mole with someone like Alberuni, I'd likely ban one or more ISPs to put an end to the fun. But if you do something bold like this, tell the rest of us so we can act appropriately. At the worst, another Admin will then revert your actions -- & if that happens, it becomes Someone Else's Problem, leaving you free to work on other & more important things.
Geoff
On 9/28/05, Geoff Burling llywrch@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
Note: I am not condemning Jay for his actions: I think they fall under the "Be bold" guideline, & at most he should be given a warning. If I had been playing a drawn-out game of whack-a-mole with someone like Alberuni, I'd likely ban one or more ISPs to put an end to the fun. But if you do something bold like this, tell the rest of us so we can act appropriately. At the worst, another Admin will then revert your actions -- & if that happens, it becomes Someone Else's Problem, leaving you free to work on other & more important things.
I agree, but I don't think we should even warn him. Certainly this discussion is embarrassing for him and will be enough to keep it from happening again? :)
On 9/28/05, Geoff Burling llywrch@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
If I had been playing a drawn-out game of whack-a-mole with someone like Alberuni, I'd likely ban one or more ISPs to put an end to the fun. But if you do something bold like this, tell the rest of us so we can act appropriately. At the worst, another Admin will then revert your actions -- & if that happens, it becomes Someone Else's Problem ...
It doesn't become Someone Else's Problem, Geoff, if the disruptive editor is targeting a specific individual or ethnic group. When unblocked, he'll simply continue to target them, so they continue to have to deal with it.
Sarah
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 slimvirgin@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/28/05, Geoff Burling llywrch@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
If I had been playing a drawn-out game of whack-a-mole with someone like Alberuni, I'd likely ban one or more ISPs to put an end to the fun. But if you do something bold like this, tell the rest of us so we can act appropriately. At the worst, another Admin will then revert your actions -- & if that happens, it becomes Someone Else's Problem ...
It doesn't become Someone Else's Problem, Geoff, if the disruptive editor is targeting a specific individual or ethnic group. When unblocked, he'll simply continue to target them, so they continue to have to deal with it.
Well, let me put it this way: if someone (say, Admin Example) reverts a block on a given troublemaker for whatever reason, then the troublemaker becomes that person's (i.e. Admin Example's) problem. The Admin who blocked the troublemaker in the first place should be allowed to go on with her/his business on Wikipedia.
That's my opinion on the matter. YMMV.
Geoff
JAY JG wrote:
If that doesn't work, do our best to block individually and revert the damage. Innocent people shouldn't be blocked for a month because of what one person did.
He was able to get new IPs every couple of minutes; at one point he was blocked over a dozen times in a couple of hours. Individual IP blocks weren't working.
Well, that sucks for the vandal fighters. I understand your frustration at this, and the desire to just make it go away. But blocking an entire range of IPs, I think, is not an acceptable solution.
Geoff Burling wrote:
Note: I am not condemning Jay for his actions:
Oh yeah, definitely. I think what he did was rather inappropriate, but not something to get really huffy about. My point is just that a 1 month block on an entire range of IPs is quit excessive and should not be done ever*. If we can all agree about that, then the issue is pretty much resolved, as far as I am concerned.
- Ryan
On 9/28/05, Ryan Delaney ryan.delaney@gmail.com wrote:
Oh yeah, definitely. I think what he did was rather inappropriate, but not something to get really huffy about. My point is just that a 1 month block on an entire range of IPs is quit excessive and should not be done ever*. If we can all agree about that, then the issue is pretty much resolved, as far as I am concerned.
- Ryan
I think it is safe to say that we can't all agree on that.
-- geni
I don't have a problem with blocking the range, but I have a problem with blocking the range for a month. A week would be the maximum that sounds reasonable for this, to me.
On 9/28/05, JAY JG jayjg@hotmail.com wrote:
From: Ryan Delaney ryan.delaney@gmail.com
JAY JG wrote:
Ryan, how would you suggest dealing with a banned user who has, in the 6 months since his ban, been continually coming back to Wikipedia and disruptively editing using almost 50 different sockpuppets (some extremely sophisticated) and almost 20 different IP addresses? I refer you to [[User:Jayjg/Alberuni]] for more detail.
Jay.
Contact his ISP.
ISPs don't appear to care.
If that doesn't work, do our best to block individually and revert the damage. Innocent people shouldn't be blocked for a month because of what one person did.
He was able to get new IPs every couple of minutes; at one point he was blocked over a dozen times in a couple of hours. Individual IP blocks weren't working.
Jay.
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