Jimmy Wales wrote:
If you think we get silly complaints now about sysop abuse, just imagine what it would be like if we let sysops win arguments over content by blocking people who disagree.
Of course you are right. However, I did not block him to win an argument over content but to stop his vandalism. The issue was not over the content of the material but the fact that his only source for it was a pirate radio station well known for inventing news stories. He has been inserting material from this same source for months despite repeated complaints from many editors, and the time has passed for it to be regarded as vandalism. If the same material is found in a respectable source, there would be no problem.
Having said that, in my frustration it appears that I went further than the rules for dealing with vandals permit. As you say, I should have consulted another sysop. I won't do it again. In fact I might not do anything again as I am reconsidering my involvement in Wikipedia altogether. This is not a reaction to this particular event but a more general issue that I will write a separate note on.
--Zero
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Zero0000 said "...well known for inventing news stories."
Zero0000 makes this claim regularly.
He does not provide examples to back up the claim.
Every one and every news source makes errors. Some (such as the New York Times) publish those corrections in a corrections section that is usually well off the front page. INN publishes its corrections front and center. An example: http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=69258 correcting a earlier article: http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=69253
Please note that Zero0000 does not dispute the content of Yisacharov's (sp?) interview saying that Hamas increased its suicide bombings in response to the Pilot's Letter. He does not dispute the interview on Israeli TV with Yisacharov. His only objection appears to be that the citation refers to the INN website.
I dont know how to create a citation that everyone can verify (click a hyperlink) to a television interview or radio broadcast. Sometimes TV or radio programs are available on the web....mostly not.
Lance6Wins
--- zero 0000 nought_0000@yahoo.com wrote:
Jimmy Wales wrote:
If you think we get silly complaints now about
sysop abuse, just
imagine what it would be like if we let sysops win
arguments over
content by blocking people who disagree.
Of course you are right. However, I did not block him to win an argument over content but to stop his vandalism. The issue was not over the content of the material but the fact that his only source for it was a pirate radio station well known for inventing news stories. He has been inserting material from this same source for months despite repeated complaints from many editors, and the time has passed for it to be regarded as vandalism. If the same material is found in a respectable source, there would be no problem.
Having said that, in my frustration it appears that I went further than the rules for dealing with vandals permit. As you say, I should have consulted another sysop. I won't do it again. In fact I might not do anything again as I am reconsidering my involvement in Wikipedia altogether. This is not a reaction to this particular event but a more general issue that I will write a separate note on.
--Zero
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