In this variation, stubs/new articles/obscure articles that a few people read each year all get shown at the latest version, because nobody will have bothered to mark a particular revision with the flag; it's only on higher-traffic pages -- which, for the most part, would be the ones where vandalism is more prevalent -- that the use of the flag would come into play.
Vandalism may occur more often on higher-traffic pages, but then again, I doubt it is anything near to the majority of defacement. I think "Bob si a fag0rt" actually gets fairly widely distributed, and most of that crap would still go live immediately under this proposal. Perhaps that is not a problem, if we are mostly concerned with higher-traffic pages.
Will this fragment Wikipedia? Will there be different rules for Japanese, French, Polish, Dutch.... and the rest?
It seems to me there already are. I don't believe fr.wp restricts anon page creation, for instance.
On 8/28/06, dmehkeri@swi.com dmehkeri@swi.com wrote:
Will this fragment Wikipedia? Will there be different rules for Japanese, French, Polish, Dutch.... and the rest?
It seems to me there already are. I don't believe fr.wp restricts anon page creation, for instance.
Each Wikipedia makes its own rules. Es, for example, prohibits image uploads entirely. While certain policies are non-negotiable (NPOV, mainly), each project is free, as it must be, to come up with the policies and procedures that work for it.
The German experiment is very interesting and I hope it works for them. I'm sure the results of their experimentation will lead to much discussion within the English community as to whether English should use this feature once the devs make it available to us. But I think that discussion should mainly wait until (a) an implementation exists (right now, it's not ready for prime time; Brion has some more work to do on it) and (b) we have some data from the Germans on what does and doesn't work in their community, so we can not waste time discussing in a vacuum.
Kelly
On 8/28/06, Kelly Martin kelly.lynn.martin@gmail.com wrote:
so we can not waste time discussing in a vacuum.
That's ruining our fun. :)
I am curious to see how it works on the german wikipedia. How long will this expiriment last btw?
Garion96
On 8/28/06, Garion96 garion96@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/28/06, Kelly Martin kelly.lynn.martin@gmail.com wrote:
so we can not waste time discussing in a vacuum.
That's ruining our fun. :)
I am curious to see how it works on the german wikipedia. How long will this expiriment last btw?
That'll be up to the members of the German community. This is their show, and we're just watching, and hopefully learning.
Kelly
Matter of interest, why let the Germans have all the fun?
It should be possible to build a prototype test-filter webserver.
As in, it doesn't have any content itself, it just scrounges it all off the real wikipedia, but behaves the same as if we had implemented it on the wikipedia.
So, when you go to an article it checks the history list and pulls the most appropriate version.
Performance would probably suck, but it should be Ok for light use.
On 28/08/06, Garion96 garion96@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/28/06, Kelly Martin kelly.lynn.martin@gmail.com wrote:
so we can not waste time discussing in a vacuum.
That's ruining our fun. :)
I am curious to see how it works on the german wikipedia. How long will this expiriment last btw?
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On 8/30/06, Ian Woollard ian.woollard@gmail.com wrote:
It should be possible to build a prototype test-filter webserver.
Nope. It's not.
On 30/08/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/30/06, Ian Woollard ian.woollard@gmail.com wrote:
It should be possible to build a prototype test-filter webserver.
Nope. It's not.
Really? Do you have a cite for that?
On 30/08/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/30/06, Ian Woollard ian.woollard@gmail.com wrote:
It should be possible to build a prototype test-filter webserver.
Nope. It's not.
I mean just a website you go to that has no log-in support that picks time-delayed version of articles from the wikipedia for display; so you can click and search and stuff.
All the server would need to do is rewrite the response from the wikipedia so that links point back at itself, and have some code so that any attempt to access a current article checks the history list and picks one.
It doesn't have to be perfect or fast, it's a *prototype*.
If you're really claiming that that's impossible, then I flat-out don't believe you.
On 8/30/06, Ian Woollard ian.woollard@gmail.com wrote:
I mean just a website you go to that has no log-in support that picks time-delayed version of articles from the wikipedia for display; so you can click and search and stuff.
That would be idiotic. Which is why no one has proposed it.
Think for a moment, a vandal puts up an image of a penis... it says up for 5 minutes.. then it is removed. Then we sit around, and in 5 minutes a penis is displayed on an article and we are powerless to stop it.
Gee.. that would help a lot.
[snip]
It doesn't have to be perfect or fast, it's a *prototype*.
It's generally useful when prototypes model something that someone would actually want to do.
On 30/08/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
Think for a moment, a vandal puts up an image of a penis... it says up for 5 minutes.. then it is removed. Then we sit around, and in 5 minutes a penis is displayed on an article and we are powerless to stop it.
Oh that; yes that would be very stupid indeed.
No.
Gee.. that would help a lot.
Try implementing this as a server filter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Timed_article_change_stabilisation_me...
Which doesn't behave like that.
UK Magazine [[Computeractive]] have also reported this, though apparently Wikipedia told Computeractive...
On 8/30/06, Ian Woollard ian.woollard@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/08/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
Think for a moment, a vandal puts up an image of a penis... it says up for 5 minutes.. then it is removed. Then we sit around, and in 5 minutes a penis is displayed on an article and we are powerless to stop it.
Oh that; yes that would be very stupid indeed.
No.
Gee.. that would help a lot.
Try implementing this as a server filter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Timed_article_change_stabilisation_me...
Which doesn't behave like that.
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On 11/09/06, Joe Anderson computerjoe.mailinglist@googlemail.com wrote:
UK Magazine [[Computeractive]] have also reported this, though apparently Wikipedia told Computeractive...
I got a call from Computeractive about this after the Bill Thompson piece on bbc.co.uk - which he wrote as a speculative editorial piece about what *might* happen, but people took it as revelatory investigative reporting on what *would* happen. Which of course it wasn't. So I told the fellow about it in detail, and recommended he check the slashdot.org story for the word on it from Jimbo, which it appears he did.
- d.