Hey!
Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated community (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 ) for speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The admin who removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated, commercial development count as a location?
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for future reference.
Yes. Community = place = location.
~Jonathan
Ian A Holton wrote:
Hey!
Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated community (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 ) for speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The admin who removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated, commercial development count as a location?
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for future reference.
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A* = Any articles in the mainspace G* = Any articles in all namespaces I* = Any images in the image namespace
etc, etc.
- E
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan (Wikipedia)" jonathan.wiki@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:01 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] CSD:A7 - does it include gatted communities?
Yes. Community = place = location.
~Jonathan
Ian A Holton wrote:
Hey!
Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated community (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 ) for speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The admin who removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated, commercial development count as a location?
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for future reference.
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Is that supposed to tell us anything? *confused*
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:34 +1000, James R. wrote:
A* = Any articles in the mainspace G* = Any articles in all namespaces I* = Any images in the image namespace
etc, etc.
- E
From: "Jonathan (Wikipedia)" jonathan.wiki@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:01 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] CSD:A7 - does it include gatted communities?
Yes. Community = place = location.
~Jonathan
Ian A Holton wrote:
Hey!
Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated community (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 ) for speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The admin who removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated, commercial development count as a location?
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for future reference.
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I think what he was saying is that any criterion that started with A was applicable to anything in the main (article) namespace.
On 1/19/08, Ian A Holton poeloq@gmail.com wrote:
Is that supposed to tell us anything? *confused*
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:34 +1000, James R. wrote:
A* = Any articles in the mainspace G* = Any articles in all namespaces I* = Any images in the image namespace
etc, etc.
- E
From: "Jonathan (Wikipedia)" jonathan.wiki@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:01 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] CSD:A7 - does it include gatted communities?
Yes. Community = place = location.
~Jonathan
Ian A Holton wrote:
Hey!
Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated community (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 ) for speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The admin who removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated, commercial development count as a location?
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for future reference.
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Which isn't true, the rules are quite strict. Which is why I was asking to confirm my interpretation which seems to have been slightly off.
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 22:53 -0500, Casey Brown wrote:
I think what he was saying is that any criterion that started with A was applicable to anything in the main (article) namespace.
On 1/19/08, Ian A Holton poeloq@gmail.com wrote:
Is that supposed to tell us anything? *confused*
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:34 +1000, James R. wrote:
A* = Any articles in the mainspace G* = Any articles in all namespaces I* = Any images in the image namespace
etc, etc.
- E
From: "Jonathan (Wikipedia)" jonathan.wiki@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:01 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] CSD:A7 - does it include gatted communities?
Yes. Community = place = location.
~Jonathan
Ian A Holton wrote:
Hey!
Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated community (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 ) for speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The admin who removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated, commercial development count as a location?
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for future reference.
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There is a continuing discussion over the extent to which A7 should includes organisations and companies, and the degree to which these terms mean any business or non-profit enterprise whatsoever, and whether this then would imply that a hospital, apartment house, gated community, or the like was included.
On Jan 19, 2008 11:00 PM, Ian A Holton poeloq@gmail.com wrote:
Which isn't true, the rules are quite strict. Which is why I was asking to confirm my interpretation which seems to have been slightly off.
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 22:53 -0500, Casey Brown wrote:
I think what he was saying is that any criterion that started with A was applicable to anything in the main (article) namespace.
On 1/19/08, Ian A Holton poeloq@gmail.com wrote:
Is that supposed to tell us anything? *confused*
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:34 +1000, James R. wrote:
A* = Any articles in the mainspace G* = Any articles in all namespaces I* = Any images in the image namespace
etc, etc.
- E
From: "Jonathan (Wikipedia)" jonathan.wiki@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:01 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] CSD:A7 - does it include gatted communities?
Yes. Community = place = location.
~Jonathan
Ian A Holton wrote:
Hey!
Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated
community
(i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 )
for
speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The
admin who
removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated,
commercial
development count as a location?
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for
future
reference.
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If it's an organization, of course A7 applies. Otherwise, we could say that any company with a physical address is a "location" and exempt from A7.
On Jan 19, 2008 11:12 PM, David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com wrote:
There is a continuing discussion over the extent to which A7 should includes organisations and companies, and the degree to which these terms mean any business or non-profit enterprise whatsoever, and whether this then would imply that a hospital, apartment house, gated community, or the like was included.
On Jan 19, 2008 11:00 PM, Ian A Holton poeloq@gmail.com wrote:
Which isn't true, the rules are quite strict. Which is why I was asking to confirm my interpretation which seems to have been slightly off.
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 22:53 -0500, Casey Brown wrote:
I think what he was saying is that any criterion that started with A was applicable to anything in the main (article) namespace.
On 1/19/08, Ian A Holton poeloq@gmail.com wrote:
Is that supposed to tell us anything? *confused*
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:34 +1000, James R. wrote:
A* = Any articles in the mainspace G* = Any articles in all namespaces I* = Any images in the image namespace
etc, etc.
- E
From: "Jonathan (Wikipedia)" jonathan.wiki@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:01 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] CSD:A7 - does it include gatted communities?
Yes. Community = place = location.
~Jonathan
Ian A Holton wrote: > Hey! > > Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated
community
> (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 )
for
> speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The
admin who
> removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated,
commercial
> development count as a location? > > Ian [[User:Poeloq]] > > P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for
future
> reference. > >
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Todd Allen wrote:
If it's an organization, of course A7 applies. Otherwise, we could say that any company with a physical address is a "location" and exempt from A7.
But what's the article actually _about_? If there's some company that is generally considered to be non-notable, but they are headquartered in a 500-foot-tall tower that's made of cheese, it seems quite reasonable to have an article about the tower even if we don't have one about the company itself.
(Well, as reasonable as possible for someone such as myself who's quite dubious about the value of the concept of "notability" in general - I'm trying to put myself in deletionist shoes here.)
The term "organization" was put in by stealth or accident a few months ago. Before that, the types of articles under A7 were much more limited.
On Jan 20, 2008 3:51 AM, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
Todd Allen wrote:
If it's an organization, of course A7 applies. Otherwise, we could say that any company with a physical address is a "location" and exempt from A7.
But what's the article actually _about_? If there's some company that is generally considered to be non-notable, but they are headquartered in a 500-foot-tall tower that's made of cheese, it seems quite reasonable to have an article about the tower even if we don't have one about the company itself.
(Well, as reasonable as possible for someone such as myself who's quite dubious about the value of the concept of "notability" in general - I'm trying to put myself in deletionist shoes here.)
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That's been there for quite some time. I remember "organization" (it might've been "group" then) being part of A7 when I was very first admin, and that's coming up a year now. Regardless, I certainly don't -mind- seeing it less limited, I'd like to see sourcing requirements grow some teeth, and for minimum quality standards to grow some too. There really are a lot of articles done on organizations which assert no notability, I see nothing wrong with speedying them.
On Jan 20, 2008 10:46 AM, David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com wrote:
The term "organization" was put in by stealth or accident a few months ago. Before that, the types of articles under A7 were much more limited.
On Jan 20, 2008 3:51 AM, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
Todd Allen wrote:
If it's an organization, of course A7 applies. Otherwise, we could say that any company with a physical address is a "location" and exempt from A7.
But what's the article actually _about_? If there's some company that is generally considered to be non-notable, but they are headquartered in a 500-foot-tall tower that's made of cheese, it seems quite reasonable to have an article about the tower even if we don't have one about the company itself.
(Well, as reasonable as possible for someone such as myself who's quite dubious about the value of the concept of "notability" in general - I'm trying to put myself in deletionist shoes here.)
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"Organizations" was added, apparently without any specific discussion, by [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_dele...] as recently as Oct 11, 2007, in the midst of a more general discussion about CSDA7 (now in Archive24).do you have any earlier diffs?
On Jan 20, 2008 3:38 PM, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
That's been there for quite some time. I remember "organization" (it might've been "group" then) being part of A7 when I was very first admin, and that's coming up a year now. Regardless, I certainly don't -mind- seeing it less limited, I'd like to see sourcing requirements grow some teeth, and for minimum quality standards to grow some too. There really are a lot of articles done on organizations which assert no notability, I see nothing wrong with speedying them.
On Jan 20, 2008 10:46 AM, David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com wrote:
The term "organization" was put in by stealth or accident a few months
ago.
Before that, the types of articles under A7 were much more limited.
On Jan 20, 2008 3:51 AM, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
Todd Allen wrote:
If it's an organization, of course A7 applies. Otherwise, we could
say
that any company with a physical address is a "location" and exempt from A7.
But what's the article actually _about_? If there's some company that
is
generally considered to be non-notable, but they are headquartered in
a
500-foot-tall tower that's made of cheese, it seems quite reasonable
to
have an article about the tower even if we don't have one about the company itself.
(Well, as reasonable as possible for someone such as myself who's
quite
dubious about the value of the concept of "notability" in general -
I'm
trying to put myself in deletionist shoes here.)
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