What was the AFD?

On 5/4/06, John Tex johntexster@gmail.com wrote:

Today, User Cyde improperly closed a AfD that had been listed for less than a day. He voted to Keep it and then he closed it Keep even though the majority of votes were for deletion.

Deletion Policy states "If a clear consensus for non-deletion is quickly reached, discussion may be closed before the end of the typical period, for example, a clear consensus for speedy deletion, a clear consensus for a speedy keep, or a consensus for a redirect. The debate should remain transcluded on the appropriate deletion page. *If the proposed solution has not achieved a very clear consensus, the listing should remain for the full five-day period. Any substantial debate, regardless of how lopsided the keep/delete count may be, implies that an early closing would be a bad idea.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Early_closure

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In this case, discussion was ongoing and the AfD should not have been closed. Cyde had even voted on the AfD prior to closing it. He was not a neutral party and he should not have closed this AfD even after the normal time period, let alone close it prematurely.

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John Tex wrote:

Today, User Cyde improperly closed a AfD that had been listed for less than a day. He voted to Keep it and then he closed it Keep even though the majority of votes were for deletion.

Deletion Policy states "If a clear consensus for non-deletion is quickly reached, discussion may be closed before the end of the typical period, for example, a clear consensus for speedy deletion, a clear consensus for a speedy keep, or a consensus for a redirect. The debate should remain transcluded on the appropriate deletion page. *If the proposed solution has not achieved a very clear consensus, the listing should remain for the full five-day period. Any substantial debate, regardless of how lopsided the keep/delete count may be, implies that an early closing would be a bad idea.

• [76]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Early_closure(emphasis

mine)

In this case, discussion was ongoing and the AfD should not have been closed. Cyde had even voted on the AfD prior to closing it. He was not a neutral party and he should not have closed this AfD even after the normal time period, let alone close it prematurely.

I didn't "close" the debate so much as I "canceled" it. My "vote", as you mention, was to cancel it ... and then a minute after that I realized I could go through with what I said should be done.

I encourage you to restart a new Afd that is untainted from vote-stacking and together we will all stay on top of it to make sure that everything is legit and on the level. The way the other one was going, I wouldn't trust its outcome to actually be reflective of consensus, as the POV vote-stacking was outshining everything else.

I may even be in favor of deleting this article; a lot of people I trust have pointed out that it started as a POV fork. But getting it deleted through massive vote-stacking is NOT the way to let it get done.

- -- Ben McIlwain ("Cyde Weys")

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