After reading the various opinions expressed here about how to deal with the small number of controversial articles which -- sadly -- are in perpetual turmoil, I've distilled what appear to be some points of agreement, & offer the following proposal based on them. If enough peole agree it is a step in the right direction, & the ideas outweigh tendency for being long-winded, I'll add it to the appropriate spot on Wikiepdia for proper consideration. (Not sure where that is, but as I said, if this is an intelligent idea, I'm sure someone who does know will help.)
Geoff
==A new category [[Category:lack of wikilove]] == I've selected this title because the problem articles aren't as much over the facts, but because the editors involved lack consideration for one another. I've set forth several proposed rules of varying detail, with my explanations set forth in the paragraphs after the rule.
1. The procedure to put an article in [[Category: lack of wikilove]] must be simple and allow itself to quick application.
I have no clear idea of how to do this. The procedure for VfD -- setting a period of 7 days to vote -- would take too long to successfully impliment. So would delegating this task solely to the ArbCom (although I feel they should have the power to place any article in this category if they believe the situation requires it). Allowing anyone (or even only admins) to slap this tag on articles lends itself to abuses & problems about as bad as it hopes to solve. The only point I would insist on for tagging articles is the next one:
2. An article may only be placed in this category if it has already been marked as being fought over -- e.g. marked with {{NPOV}} or {{disputed}}.
Once an article is so marked, in addition to all existing rules of conduct the following is observed:
3. To make any non-trivial edit (correct typos, spelling, minor points of grammar), an editor must first make an appropriate comment explaining the edit on the talk page.
This seems to be in harmony with some of the opinions expressed here: not only does it force the editors of this article to talk to each other, it forces all sides to slow down.
By the word "appropriate", I mean to include at least the following: * It is not obvious gibberish -- i.e. adding things like "alksfgh" or "I like apple pie" * It contributes to the flow of the discussion -- e.g. keeps from making entries like: "This is the correct view" or "I have to type something so here it is".
4. All assertions of fact must be properly documented. If another editor cannot confirm the citation is correct, that editor may correct or remove the statement and the first cannot revert the deletion. However, if a third editor can confirm that the original statement was correct, then the first statement may be restored unchanged, and the second editor may not revert it.
This one gets a bit tricky. In effect, the intent here is to push hostile parties with opposing views to cite their sources, both correctly & usefully -- and to avoid bickering of the "This is true" - "No it isn't" sort. If an editor fabricates a citation, this allows another editor to remove it; if the next editor has lied about the source being invented, then it can be restored.
However, this admittedly moves the battle of wills into a new area: instead of bickering over whether or not something is true, editors can now bicker over whether or not an authority actually wrote something or not. Hopefully, were this to happen, disinterested parties can independently check citations, determine with a minimum of confusion which side has resorted to lying, & act appropriately. And the requirement that all edits be accompanied with comments on the Talk page will slow things down. If not, then we turn to this:
5. Administrators are given full discretion in enforcing these points for articles so marked -- only as long as they have not made any edits to the article.
In short, if two vicious factions have made a battlefield out of an article, they can expect to get clobbered. One possible amendment to this point would be to make violation of these rules subject to immediate bans for more than 24 hours.
6. The article can only be removed from the category after an extended vote with a minimum number and share of yes votes.
No fair gaming the system to get an article out of this category when it works to your advantage. The editors who made a mess of an article have to convince a lot of people that they now can exchange Wikilove while working on this subject.
--- Geoffrey Burling llywrch@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
After reading the various opinions expressed here about how to deal with the small number of controversial articles which -- sadly -- are in
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With all due respect, wikipedia already has too many rules. I suggest a much better policy: You fuck up an article, you clean it up. If you edit anywhere else before the article is nice and NPOV, you get a 3 month ban.
And I'm only half joking.
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--- Geoffrey Burling llywrch@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
With all due respect, wikipedia already has too many rules. I suggest a much better policy: You fuck up an article, you clean it up. If you edit anywhere else before the article is nice and NPOV, you get a 3 month ban.
And I'm only half joking.
And when the person just leaves? Not everybody is obsessed with editing. Besides, people can always make sockpuppets and work on other articles.
Tomer Chachamu said:
--- Geoffrey Burling llywrch@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
With all due respect, wikipedia already has too many rules. I suggest a much better policy: You fuck up an article, you clean it up. If you edit anywhere else before the article is nice and NPOV, you get a 3 month ban.
And I'm only half joking.
And when the person just leaves? Not everybody is obsessed with editing. Besides, people can always make sockpuppets and work on other articles.
Easy peasy. We nominate that editor to be editor-in-chief of the article, and another miscreant to be the chief exploder. If the exploder suspects the editor-in-chief of slacking or moonlighting, he selects a command olist that explodes a bomb strapped to the head of the editor-in-chief, and he then becomes the new editor-in-chief.