On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:23:11 -0700, "George Herbert"
On 6/16/06, Cobb wrote:
A legit subject. So when has there ever been any actual lightsabre combat? Has military research made some significant breakthroughs without me noticing?
Legit fictional: It's a major aspect of the Star Wars series, which are well past the credible size of popularity where major subjects within the fictional series are worth having articles about. Fictional aspects are perfectly reasonable to report on.
I have no problem with an article on "Lightsaber (Star Wars)"... the toys, the stunt work... the effect it has had on popular culture etc etc. They could even mention that some people have taken the styles developed for the films and tried to replicate it at a serious level. All of this could be written in an encyclopedic manner, with reference to sources, instead of being original research and fan waffle.
But... the only reason this AFD was "keep" is because of the number of Star Wars voters. Take a look at the history of the article too. Short of slashing and burning it (and then it may as well have been deleted), it's not going to get any better because it was named for and written from a fictional viewpoint by masses of fans who cannot tell real from imaginary... and as a result it is fundmentally unencyclopedic. It should have been deleted, if only to preserve the illusion that AFD isn't a big joke and to give it a chance to start again (with a different name).
Legit real-world martial art phenomenon: There are a few people trying to replicate the movie fighting style at a serious level.
Not with lightsabers they aren't.
Anyway, I'm not here to fight a case for deleting it. I'm just pointing out a particularly hideous case of why AFD is a grotesque broken horror show.
On 6/16/06, Cobb sealclubbingfun@googlemail.com wrote:
I have no problem with an article on "Lightsaber (Star Wars)"... the toys, the stunt work... the effect it has had on popular culture etc etc. They could even mention that some people have taken the styles developed for the films and tried to replicate it at a serious level. All of this could be written in an encyclopedic manner, with reference to sources, instead of being original research and fan waffle.
But... the only reason this AFD was "keep" is because of the number of Star Wars voters. Take a look at the history of the article too. Short of slashing and burning it (and then it may as well have been deleted), it's not going to get any better because it was named for and written from a fictional viewpoint by masses of fans who cannot tell real from imaginary... and as a result it is fundmentally unencyclopedic.
It is a start.
It should have been deleted, if only to preserve the illusion that AFD isn't a big joke and to give it a chance to start again (with a different name).
Don't need to start again.
Legit real-world martial art phenomenon: There are a few people trying to replicate the movie fighting style at a serious level.
Not with lightsabers they aren't.
Anyway, I'm not here to fight a case for deleting it. I'm just pointing out a particularly hideous case of why AFD is a grotesque broken horror show.
But unless you can show the outcome was wrong you haven't done that.
On 6/16/06, Cobb sealclubbingfun@googlemail.com wrote:
[...] But... the only reason this AFD was "keep" is because of the number of Star Wars voters.
Had I not been too busy to follow AFD the last couple of weeks, I'd have voted to keep it. And I am not a Star Wars serious fan. I would have voted to keep it for the same reasons I noted.
AFD is not an acceptable substitute for a cleanup notice and some cleanup efforts.