Delirium wrote
I'd propose that people should be *very* careful about speedy-tagging people and things from countries they're not from, especially non-English-speaking countries, unless they're either obvious crap (i.e. an autobiography by a high school student) or the person has first done some research to establish that the thing is not notable even in that country---keeping in mind that the fact that a German person is not well-known _in the US_ is not a valid reason for speedy deletion.
Right. Even Anglospheric stuff is sent to be speedied (women's refuges in New Zealand, domestic violence charities in Australia, health organisations in Ontario) under vague pretexts such as promotion. There are a few Twinkle users who are particularly thoughtless. Having spent some hours now watching CAT:CSD, the word "triage" (not mine) seems to fit quite well. I got into this discussion for haing been vocal about the matter, but it does appear to be a real, live issue with direct impact on the encyclopedia.
Another Pakistani last night, this time a religious scholar. Speedy tag mostly because it was all upper case, claiming "patent nonsense". (Patent illiteracy.) As soon as I took that down, a PROD went up claiming nothing there to salvage.
Charles
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:03:08 +0000, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
Right. Even Anglospheric stuff is sent to be speedied (women's refuges in New Zealand, domestic violence charities in Australia, health organisations in Ontario) under vague pretexts such as promotion. There are a few Twinkle users who are particularly thoughtless. Having spent some hours now watching CAT:CSD, the word "triage" (not mine) seems to fit quite well. I got into this discussion for haing been vocal about the matter, but it does appear to be a real, live issue with direct impact on the encyclopedia.
OK, so now let's make a proposal and see if it gains support.
Who's good at writing such stuff?
Guy (JzG)
On 15/11/2007, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:03:08 +0000, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
Right. Even Anglospheric stuff is sent to be speedied (women's refuges in New Zealand, domestic violence charities in Australia, health organisations in Ontario) under vague pretexts such as promotion. There are a few Twinkle users who are particularly thoughtless. Having spent some hours now watching CAT:CSD, the word "triage" (not mine) seems to fit quite well. I got into this discussion for haing been vocal about the matter, but it does appear to be a real, live issue with direct impact on the encyclopedia.
OK, so now let's make a proposal and see if it gains support. Who's good at writing such stuff?
Charles would be a good one.
Taking a test case to the arbcom would be *exceedingly* long-winded.
What would be useful is a large number of speedy-patrol patrollers. Leave notes on those putting up bad A7s. Make damn sure it scuppers their bids at RFA - such carelessness is *not* admin material. First RFA knocked back for bad A7s will see them diminish markedly.
- d.
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:42:42 +0000, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
What would be useful is a large number of speedy-patrol patrollers. Leave notes on those putting up bad A7s. Make damn sure it scuppers their bids at RFA - such carelessness is *not* admin material. First RFA knocked back for bad A7s will see them diminish markedly.
This is an important point. Quite a few people who do RC patrol do it in the hopes of becoming an admin.
But not all.
I think we should also encourage people to do RC/newpage patrol no more than one day a week. Seeing so much utter dross will tend to make you diagnose dross where it does not exist, and see every redlinked username as a spammer.
DAMHIKIJKOK.
Guy (JzG)
On 15/11/2007, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:42:42 +0000, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
What would be useful is a large number of speedy-patrol patrollers. Leave notes on those putting up bad A7s. Make damn sure it scuppers their bids at RFA - such carelessness is *not* admin material. First RFA knocked back for bad A7s will see them diminish markedly.
This is an important point. Quite a few people who do RC patrol do it in the hopes of becoming an admin.
But not all.
I think we should also encourage people to do RC/newpage patrol no more than one day a week. Seeing so much utter dross will tend to make you diagnose dross where it does not exist, and see every redlinked username as a spammer.
DAMHIKIJKOK.
Redlink=spammer bluelink=confused with myspace spammer bluelink talk=returning spammer.
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:26:55 +0000, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Redlink=spammer bluelink=confused with myspace spammer bluelink talk=returning spammer.
Not always, only in about 99% of cases.
Guy (JzG)
On 15/11/2007, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
Another Pakistani last night, this time a religious scholar. Speedy tag mostly because it >was all upper case, claiming "patent nonsense". (Patent illiteracy.) As soon as I took that >down, a PROD went up claiming nothing there to salvage.
Charles
Have you checked to see if it is a copyvio? such articles tend to be so POV that we would be better off starting from scratch in any case.