Dear All,
While the website said they are not open, I decided to take a peek and see what they offered. So, for a test, I check out one of my articles [[Hero of Belarus]]. Well, they have a version of the article, which was an edit done on June 18 of this year http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=Hero_of_Belarus&act.... That is the only edit, surprisingly, that the history shows. So, for another test, I clicked the talk page. They are using our templates alright, but no images (like in the article). I scroll down and see my name, and sure enough, my user page exists (http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=User:Zscout370). Well, for other problems, I see the MediaWiki logo to the bottom. If there are other things that worry you, just let me know and I could snoop around. But, most likely, they took out site from the end of June, so this could have been untouched for two months.
Regards,
Zachary Harden
Wow, is it that easy to set up a wiki? How much do you think they spent, in time and resources? There seem to not have been ANY edits however...
Jack (Sam Spade)
On 8/24/05, Zachary Harden zscout370@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear All,
While the website said they are not open, I decided to take a peek and see what they offered. So, for a test, I check out one of my articles [[Hero of Belarus]]. Well, they have a version of the article, which was an edit done on June 18 of this year http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=Hero_of_Belarus&act.... That is the only edit, surprisingly, that the history shows. So, for another test, I clicked the talk page. They are using our templates alright, but no images (like in the article). I scroll down and see my name, and sure enough, my user page exists (http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=User:Zscout370). Well, for other problems, I see the MediaWiki logo to the bottom. If there are other things that worry you, just let me know and I could snoop around. But, most likely, they took out site from the end of June, so this could have been untouched for two months.
Regards,
Zachary Harden
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There seem to not have been ANY edits however...
Oh yes there have, look at this diff:
http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=Adolf_Hitler&diff=0...
I especially like the small changes that make non-sense of a whole paragraph.
Before: "The records of this meeting provide the clearest evidence of central planning for the Holocaust."
After: "The records of this meeting provide the clearest evidence that central planning for the Holocaust never happened."
Before: "After these, the quality of Hitler's military judgement became increasingly erratic and Germany's military and economic position deteriorated."
After: "After these, the quality of Hitler's military judgement was still brilliant, but Germany's military and economic position deteriorated."
They can have their fun, but let's make sure they follow the GFDL.
Regards, Haukur
Wow, is it that easy to set up a wiki? How much do you think they spent, in time and resources? There seem to not have been ANY edits however... Jack (Sam Spade)
There have been some edits. See: http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=Adolf_Hitler&curid=...
On 8/24/05, Jack Lynch jack.i.lynch@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, is it that easy to set up a wiki? How much do you think they spent, in time and resources? There seem to not have been ANY edits however...
I've logged in - and replaced my user page with a note saying i didn't want to be associated with the site. i then did the same on all my archives - a good argument for not archiving talk pages. So now I'm the most prolific editor of the nazi wikipedia. Woohoo!
Note to anyone considering doing the same. Do not use your wikipedia password when you set up an account.
Theresa
So tempting to test out page move vandalism. I've wanting to test exactly how easy it is for a while (but I won't I have most of the data that I wanted.)
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Theresa Knott wrote:
On 8/24/05, Jack Lynch jack.i.lynch@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, is it that easy to set up a wiki? How much do you think they spent, in time and resources? There seem to not have been ANY edits however...
I've logged in - and replaced my user page with a note saying i didn't want to be associated with the site. i then did the same on all my archives - a good argument for not archiving talk pages. So now I'm the most prolific editor of the nazi wikipedia. Woohoo!
Note to anyone considering doing the same. Do not use your wikipedia password when you set up an account.
For those of us who want to follow Theresa's example, would someone be willing to help us select an appropriate Hebrew password?
Heck, I'll settle for help with a password in Arabic or an African language. Something along the lines of "love your neighbor".
Geoff
Willy on Wheels seems to have discovered a new playground :)
Travis Mason-Bushman FCYTravis @ en.Wikipedia
On 8/24/05, Travis Mason-Bushman travis@gpsports-eng.com wrote:
Willy on Wheels seems to have discovered a new playground :)
no he is a lot faster. Heck I would be a lot faster.
I just realized that they are violating our license, they aren't quoting wikipedia as the source of content, and except for users who had the foresight to use the this is a wikipedia userpage tag on their user and user talk page, their pages are ripped unattributed on the site, that's a violation of the GFDL I believe, I also wish there was a way to prevent these bastards (I'm censoring myself due to the fact that younger people might read this list, the correct word starts with an F and ends with an S) since I don't want someone googling my username and finding it mirrored in full on a Nazi wiki, and I think most users agree with me on this.
-Jtkiefer
On 8/24/05, Jtkiefer jtkiefer@wordzen.net wrote:
I just realized that they are violating our license, they aren't quoting wikipedia as the source of content, and except for users who had the foresight to use the this is a wikipedia userpage tag on their user and user talk page, their pages are ripped unattributed on the site, that's a violation of the GFDL I believe, I also wish there was a way to prevent these bastards (I'm censoring myself due to the fact that younger people might read this list, the correct word starts with an F and ends with an S) since I don't want someone googling my username and finding it mirrored in full on a Nazi wiki, and I think most users agree with me on this.
I don't think anybody with any sense will be confused and I think that these folk are probably sitting back and enjoying watching all the outrage caused here.
Let's get real. Wikipedia, no matter how much we love it, is only one tiny fragment of the web. There are any number of mirror sites and similiar wikis, and nobody is going to take a real lot of notice of a neoNazi wikipedia. It's like someone got a cheap dictionary, whited out all the words they didn't like or scrawled their own definitions, and then put it on the shelves at the local library. BFD.
It's not like anyone's going to take them any more seriously then they're taking our copyrights. And maybe they just did not read the GFDL, and don't know what they did. Or maybe nazis don't believe in copyright? :P
On 8/24/05, Jtkiefer jtkiefer@wordzen.net wrote:
I just realized that they are violating our license, they aren't quoting wikipedia as the source of content, and except for users who had the foresight to use the this is a wikipedia userpage tag on their user and user talk page, their pages are ripped unattributed on the site, that's a violation of the GFDL I believe, I also wish there was a way to prevent these bastards (I'm censoring myself due to the fact that younger people might read this list, the correct word starts with an F and ends with an S) since I don't want someone googling my username and finding it mirrored in full on a Nazi wiki, and I think most users agree with me on this.
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It's the funniest place I've ever been. Too bad I followed Theresa's example to clean out my page, instead of GNAA-ing it like everyone else. Warning:Goatse everywhere.
On 8/24/05, Phroziac phroziac@gmail.com wrote:
It's not like anyone's going to take them any more seriously then they're taking our copyrights. And maybe they just did not read the GFDL, and don't know what they did. Or maybe nazis don't believe in copyright? :P
On 8/24/05, Jtkiefer jtkiefer@wordzen.net wrote:
I just realized that they are violating our license, they aren't quoting wikipedia as the source of content, and except for users who had the foresight to use the this is a wikipedia userpage tag on their user and user talk page, their pages are ripped unattributed on the site, that's a violation of the GFDL I believe, I also wish there was a way to prevent these bastards (I'm censoring myself due to the fact that younger people might read this list, the correct word starts with an F and ends with an S) since I don't want someone googling my username and finding it mirrored in full on a Nazi wiki, and I think most users agree with me on this.
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Jtkiefer wrote:
I just realized that they are violating our license, they aren't quoting wikipedia as the source of content, and except for users who had the foresight to use the this is a wikipedia userpage tag on their user and user talk page, their pages are ripped unattributed on the site, that's a violation of the GFDL I believe, I also wish there was a way to prevent these bastards (I'm censoring myself due to the fact that younger people might read this list, the correct word starts with an F and ends with an S) since I don't want someone googling my username and finding it mirrored in full on a Nazi wiki, and I think most users agree with me on this.
It occurs to me that there is no very good reason for us to include the User and User_talk namespaces in the standard database dumps. Is there?
For those who think that we are required to provide database dumps of these pages due to the requirements of the GFDL, you are mistaken. The html that we provide directly on the website is itself the "transparent copy" demanded by the license. We are not required to provide the actual wikitext of anything. We do so merely as a courtesy to people wanting to do interesting stuff with our content.
But userpages are different.
--Jimbo
Theresa Knott wrote:
On 8/24/05, Jack Lynch jack.i.lynch@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, is it that easy to set up a wiki? How much do you think they spent, in time and resources? There seem to not have been ANY edits however...
I've logged in - and replaced my user page with a note saying i didn't want to be associated with the site. i then did the same on all my archives - a good argument for not archiving talk pages. So now I'm the most prolific editor of the nazi wikipedia. Woohoo!
You know, this could be an awful lot of fun - all those things you wanted to experiment with, but didn't want to risk your good name trying out on WP. Anybody up for some bot trickery? You could add a "Sieg Heil!" at the end of every paragraph, or use html to do that white-on-white text that somebody mentioned.
Or if you just wanted to get your primal scream on, start trolling and sockpuppeting and revert-warring...
On a more serious note, it would be an interesting hacker project to maintain an ongoing diff-listing showing how they're diverging whatever versions of the pages they're importing. Sort of a topic-by-topic summary of how the neo-Nazi ideology differs from the real world.
Stan
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Theresa Knott wrote:
On 8/24/05, Jack Lynch jack.i.lynch@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, is it that easy to set up a wiki? How much do you think they spent, in time and resources? There seem to not have been ANY edits however...
I've logged in - and replaced my user page with a note saying i didn't want to be associated with the site. i then did the same on all my archives - a good argument for not archiving talk pages. So now I'm the most prolific editor of the nazi wikipedia. Woohoo!
Note to anyone considering doing the same. Do not use your wikipedia password when you set up an account.
Aren't passwords hashed in Mediawiki anyway??
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On 8/24/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Aren't passwords hashed in Mediawiki anyway??
No idea. But it's better safe than sorry
Theresa
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Theresa Knott wrote:
On 8/24/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Aren't passwords hashed in Mediawiki anyway??
No idea. But it's better safe than sorry
Brion confirmed that they are, but pointed out that thye could do something nasty.
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In any case, the dump they used to build that mirror does not include user records.
Kelly
On 8/24/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
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Theresa Knott wrote:
On 8/24/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Aren't passwords hashed in Mediawiki anyway??
No idea. But it's better safe than sorry
Brion confirmed that they are, but pointed out that thye could do something nasty.
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Alphax wrote:
Note to anyone considering doing the same. Do not use your wikipedia password when you set up an account.
Aren't passwords hashed in Mediawiki anyway??
Yes, but it would be a trivial change to the code to also record a plaintext version of the password.
--Jimbo
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Jimmy Wales wrote:
Alphax wrote:
Note to anyone considering doing the same. Do not use your wikipedia password when you set up an account.
Aren't passwords hashed in Mediawiki anyway??
Yes, but it would be a trivial change to the code to also record a plaintext version of the password.
Brion told me as such on #mediawiki when I asked about it. Anyway, the site appears to be dead now.
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They also don't have a GFDL notice.
On 8/24/05, Zachary Harden zscout370@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear All,
While the website said they are not open, I decided to take a peek and see what they offered. So, for a test, I check out one of my articles [[Hero of Belarus]]. Well, they have a version of the article, which was an edit done on June 18 of this year http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=Hero_of_Belarus&act.... That is the only edit, surprisingly, that the history shows. So, for another test, I clicked the talk page. They are using our templates alright, but no images (like in the article). I scroll down and see my name, and sure enough, my user page exists (http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=User:Zscout370). Well, for other problems, I see the MediaWiki logo to the bottom. If there are other things that worry you, just let me know and I could snoop around. But, most likely, they took out site from the end of June, so this could have been untouched for two months.
Regards,
Zachary Harden
this is so not a Pseudodoxia user page
http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=User:Geni
Is there any clever way to use Unicode to get round this type of automatic replacement?
On 24/08/05, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
this is so not a Pseudodoxia user page
http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=User:Geni
Is there any clever way to use Unicode to get round this type of automatic replacement?
Huh. Looking at user pages, some weirdness happened here; on mine, "français" turned into "fran硩s".
http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=User:Shimgray
Interestingly, yours has a boilerplate saying "This is a Pseudodoxia user page" - but mine, still generated from the template, says "This is a Wikipedia user page". Seems their search-and-replace wasn't quite so hot...
http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=User:Shimgray Interestingly, yours has a boilerplate saying "This is a Pseudodoxia user page" - but mine, still generated from the template, says "This is a Wikipedia user page". Seems their search-and-replace wasn't quite so hot...
The template you used was probably already corrected by some Wikipedian.
Andrew Gray wrote:
On 24/08/05, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
this is so not a Pseudodoxia user page
http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=User:Geni
Is there any clever way to use Unicode to get round this type of automatic replacement?
Huh. Looking at user pages, some weirdness happened here; on mine, "français" turned into "fran硩s".
http://pseudodoxia.flawlesslogic.com/index.php?title=User:Shimgray
Interestingly, yours has a boilerplate saying "This is a Pseudodoxia user page" - but mine, still generated from the template, says "This is a Wikipedia user page". Seems their search-and-replace wasn't quite so hot...
Actually the template was fixed to point back. The one on Wikipedia has now been obfuscated further to help prevent that.