See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Footnotes#cite.php_update {{Reflist}} has already been changed to allow: {{reflist| refs= <ref name="refname1">content1</ref> <ref name="refname2">content2</ref> <ref name="refname3">content3</ref> }}
A little ugly, but everyone copy-pastes anyway. Also take a look at the discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Footnote...
If I may push my most radical suggestion, I want i.e. <<Smith2006>> to be a shortcut for <ref name="Smith2006" /> allowing for very short references in text.
On 9/18/09, Apoc 2400 apoc2400@gmail.com wrote:
If I may push my most radical suggestion, I want i.e. <<Smith2006>> to be a shortcut for <ref name="Smith2006" /> allowing for very short references in text.
Interesting idea. May be worthwhile.
FT2
Having various reference techniques is very useful for people writing articles, who can choose whatever they feel comfortable with; having multiple simultaneous techniques is not quite as helpful for people trying to make small edits and fixes in articles, or adding references, because you need to be familiar with every individual one of them you might encounter. Personally, for example, I never use the cite templates if I'm adding refs to an unreferenced article, but i need to know them in case I work on an article already using them. And similarly with every possibility. I would rather have to learn any one thing, whether or not I dislike it, than need to learn them all. I recognize of course that this tends to inhibit experiment and improvement.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:44 AM, FT2 ft2.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/18/09, Apoc 2400 apoc2400@gmail.com wrote:
If I may push my most radical suggestion, I want i.e. <<Smith2006>> to be a shortcut for <ref name="Smith2006" /> allowing for very short references in text.
Interesting idea. May be worthwhile.
FT2
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David Goodman wrote:
Having various reference techniques is very useful for people writing articles, who can choose whatever they feel comfortable with; having multiple simultaneous techniques is not quite as helpful for people trying to make small edits and fixes in articles, or adding references, because you need to be familiar with every individual one of them you might encounter. Personally, for example, I never use the cite templates if I'm adding refs to an unreferenced article, but i need to know them in case I work on an article already using them. And similarly with every possibility. I would rather have to learn any one thing, whether or not I dislike it, than need to learn them all. I recognize of course that this tends to inhibit experiment and improvement.
This is well taken. A lot of the templates have developed on an ad hoc basis, and when these become established there is a powerful unwillingness to change something that people are habituated to. With multilayered tranclusion it becomes even more difficult to adapt templates to circumstances.With large quantities of existing templates it may very well be that you have no way of knowing that the template that you need already exists.
Perhaps each group of templates needs a global review from time to time to see that the templates work together.
Ec
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
David Goodman wrote:
Having various reference techniques is very useful for people writing articles, who can choose whatever they feel comfortable with; having multiple simultaneous techniques is not quite as helpful for people trying to make small edits and fixes in articles, or adding references, because you need to be familiar with every individual one of them you might encounter. Personally, for example, I never use the cite templates if I'm adding refs to an unreferenced article, but i need to know them in case I work on an article already using them. And similarly with every possibility. I would rather have to learn any one thing, whether or not I dislike it, than need to learn them all. I recognize of course that this tends to inhibit experiment and improvement.
This is well taken. A lot of the templates have developed on an ad hoc basis, and when these become established there is a powerful unwillingness to change something that people are habituated to. With multilayered tranclusion it becomes even more difficult to adapt templates to circumstances.With large quantities of existing templates it may very well be that you have no way of knowing that the template that you need already exists.
Perhaps each group of templates needs a global review from time to time to see that the templates work together.
Agree with both David and Ray. One of the things I fear is having to learn a new reference syntax when I've only just got used to the current one (even though that's been around for a while). And templates absolutely should be reviewed periodically, and organised better. Having to spend the first ten minutes before you do something, searching to see if it has already been done, is a bit annoying sometimes. Even if that search fails, you are still not quite sure whether you missed something or not.
Carcharoth