Along these lines, here is a potential way to sort out what should be listed where: Imagine two articles, one of something we can all agree is a very "popular culture" thing (say, The Simpsons), the other of something which is probably of more substantive historical value (say, the Enola Gay). If the Enola Gay appears on the Simpsons, and we feel compelled to put a link one place or another, where should it go? My suggestion: since the Enola Gay is the reference included in the work of popular culture, the direction should be: Simpsons --> Enola Gay. Knowing that the Enola Gay was featured in a Simpons episode does not enhance your knowledge about the Enola Gay in any substantive way, but knowing that Krusty was referencing the Enola Gay when he called his airplane the "I'm-On-A-Rolla-Gay" might enhance your understanding of the Simpsons. I've applied this with some success before, such as when people wanted to put pop-culture references to the Trinity atomic bomb test in the [[Trinity test]] article. I removed them, and instead put them into the pop-culture articles they came from (a TV show, a video game, etc.). Knowing that the Trinity test way in a video game does not really tell one anything about the Trinity test; knowing that the test in a video game was modeled after a real test might help know something about the video game. Obviously there are places where this would be difficult to sort out and borderline cases. But I think as a general principle it might help keep some of these things in perspective, and prevent respectable articles from being clogged up with these sorts of "in pop culture" references. FF On 2/26/06, Peter Mackay <peter.mackay(a)bigpond.com> wrote:

I hadn't imagined that there'd be a good reason to put such a reference on the SoL page. Obviously we fly along different wavelengths. The place to reference a team mascot is on the *team* page. Pete

"Matt Brown" <morven(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:42f90dc00602262204g280315adr4dc3ba2cfd3cd0a6@mail.gmail.com... And the answer to the "problem" is to migrate the information to the most appropriate article. Unfortunately some of the sentiment expressed up-thread seems to be more of the "nuke it until it glows then shoot it in the dark" variety. Newbies will not be nearly so bitten by a polite message saying "thank you for your information: it has been moved to a more appropriate place" than by a rude message saying "don't add trivia to articles; it makes them messy". HTH HAND -- Phil [[en:User:Phil Boswell]]