http://www.thejidf.org/2008/09/wikipedia-editors-snooping-email.html
9.07.2008 Wikipedia editors snooping email, invading privacy, making threats, etc.
We're keeping a very close eye on the discussion on the JIDF article page. We have corresponded with some top notch Wikipedia people "behind the scenes" who have advised us to not discuss anything via email unless fully encrypted and secure, due to unethical and possibly illegal activities of various Wikipedia editors. Seems like some of them are extremely determined (through their own unreliable and "original research") to discover everyone they think might be behind the scenes at the JIDF and to try to "out" their identity, etc.
Many of us keep our private information private for good reasons. There have been viable death threats from neo-nazi types as well as Islamic jihadists. We have upset Hezbollah by taking out one of their top recruitment and promotion areas on the web. We have upset quite a few other people as well.
We coordinate with a legal team as well as various governmental agencies, as needed. When there are death threats, we report them to the proper authorities. If there is ever a breach in our computer security, we fight back to the fullest extent of the law.
In other words, we take ALL threats seriously and we do not like the direction in which some Wikipedia editors seem to be taking or threat to be taking.
Which brings us to the former list of "officers" with regard to our Facebook group. They were all honorary positions we gave to people with whom we respect and appreciate. None of them are formerly associated with this organization in any way, shape, or form.
For Wikipedia editors to make false assumptions with regard to who is and who is not involved with the JIDF is wrong. We are a collective of various people of different background, many of whom choose to remain anonymous for the sake of the of our safety and that of our families. The people most actively involved with the JIDF are not linked to us in any obvious ways.
To make a long story short (if it's not too late) - many Wikipedia editors are barking up the wrong tree. They should stick to the reliable sources and please respect the privacy of people who might just like what we are doing, but with whom have no formal ties with this organization.
Wikipedia editors are not investigative journalists and they are not going to get the "big scoop." They are supposed to be editing the project with certain standards in mind. It's very disappointing (yet not surprising) that some of them would stoop so low as to potentially threat, harass, and/or possibly try to hack into our computer systems in order to gain information about us.
Wikipedia is supposed to only rely upon cited and reliable sources. No "original research" is acceptable. Not even in the discussion areas. The fact that Wikipedia editors are taking it upon themselves to to go into our Facebook group to obtain information about our friends, families, fans, and supporters and the people with whom we also respect and appreciate is absurd. The false assumptions, speculation and "original research" currently being conducted by many Wikipedia editors also seems to be outside Wikipedia's own rules.
We intend to to do everything in our power to defend and protect the people and things which are important to us. When we are hit, we hit back harder---with every resource at our disposal. We are fans and supporters of disproportionate response.
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"We are fans and supporters of disproportionate response." Yeah. Way to get my sympathy, there.
"We are fans and supporters of disproportionate response." Yeah. Way to get my sympathy, there.
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.thejidf.org/2008/09/wikipedia-editors-snooping-email.html
9.07.2008 Wikipedia is supposed to only rely upon cited and reliable sources. No "original research" is acceptable. Not even in the discussion areas. The fact that Wikipedia editors are taking it upon themselves to to go into our Facebook group to obtain information about our friends, families, fans, and supporters and the people with whom we also respect and appreciate is absurd. The false assumptions, speculation and "original research" currently being conducted by many Wikipedia editors also seems to be outside Wikipedia's own rules.
It can help to understand a policy or principle before quoting it. FT2
2008/9/7 FT2 ft2.wiki@gmail.com:
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.thejidf.org/2008/09/wikipedia-editors-snooping-email.html
9.07.2008 Wikipedia is supposed to only rely upon cited and reliable sources. No "original research" is acceptable. Not even in the discussion areas. The fact that Wikipedia editors are taking it upon themselves to to go into our Facebook group to obtain information about our friends, families, fans, and supporters and the people with whom we also respect and appreciate is absurd. The false assumptions, speculation and "original research" currently being conducted by many Wikipedia editors also seems to be outside Wikipedia's own rules.
It can help to understand a policy or principle before quoting it. FT2
I think it's more a case of trying to rule lawyer people who've been watching rule lawyers since before much of the present policy existed not being very effective.
I've been participating at the article's talk page for a few weeks, now. The whole situation, at least as it relates to WP, strikes me as a tempest in a teapot. A few veteran eyes on the article are really all we need -- there are more important things for us to be attending do, as a whole.
Although it may be worth noting that discussion on the talk page has recently been rife with accusations of COI, and that a few users have gotten long blocks for behavior at or around the page (I think one user blocked for a month, due to edit warring, and two more for two weeks each, due to checkuser-confirmed socking).
One thing I find curious, it's difficult to tell exactly how many members the JIDF has, or how active any of those members are. Perhaps this would be easy enough to infer from the Facebook group, but I'm not entirely inclined to go look at it. As far as their blog goes, I note they disallow commenting on posts, which I find rather curious.
-Luna