---- Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote:
On Jul 14, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote:
imagine if someone were to write a Wikipedia article using precisely the (daft, if you ask me) arguments that Anthony DiPierro has been using. It is a confirmable story, we do know a number of fairly trivial facts about her, and... we might imagine... this *could* become an idiotic short lived meme
The worst aspect of this is that there is no way to flesh out the woman's humanity. It is doubtful any other published information exists.
Fred
Fred,
That is exactly the point that I try to get across when we deal with people that are notable for one small area of there life. WP:BLP trys to deal with this idea of different levels of notability.
Angela, for example, is known for a small area of her life if we go by verifiable, reliable sources. For that reason the information is best covered in another article.
Of course for dignity reasons, it is worse when the only thing that someone is famous for may be one small stupid mistake.
Sydney
On 7/14/06, Sydney aka FloNight poore5@adelphia.net wrote:
Angela, for example, is known for a small area of her life if we go by verifiable, reliable sources. For that reason the information is best covered in another article.
The thing is, Angela has gotten involved with a number of different things: Wikipedia/Wikimedia, Wikia, and Ourmedia (two non-profits and a for-profit, all of which are relatively well-known, and all of which have their own Wikipedia articles). I really don't think it makes sense to mention this in every single one of those articles - what makes sense is to have a single article which links to each.
Of course for dignity reasons, it is worse when the only thing that someone is famous for may be one small stupid mistake.
I think human dignity is certainly a factor, though I'd probably phrase it as right to privacy. In fact, the first time one particular article went up for deletion (I think it was Jimbo, but it might have been Angela), I voted to delete it out of respect for their wishes. Wikipedia/Wikimedia has gotten a lot bigger since then (I'm not even sure if the latter existed at the time), as has Wikia, and at this point I think the public right to know outweighs the individual right to privacy, at least so long as the article is kept narrow.
Anthony
Anthony wrote:
In fact, the first time one particular article went up for deletion (I think it was Jimbo, but it might have been Angela), I voted to delete it out of respect for their wishes.
To my recollection, the article about me has never been up for AfD. For a long time past when NPOV would have demanded it, we did not have an article about me, for two reasons. First, as a courtesy to me, because I felt silly about it. Second, to head off a potential snarky critique of Wikipedia: "A new online encyclopedia, with 1,000 articles, including one about the founder, ha ha ha!"
Of course we are still vulnerable to the critique in a more sophisticated form, in that I believe that many more articles than should talk about Wikipedia itself in connection with various well-known figures.
--Jimbo