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Jimmy Wales

7 Mar 2003 7 Mar '03

6:58 p.m.

Yeah, Ed, you probably shouldn't do that if people don't like the idea. But we really should consider adjusting the software so that it happens automatically. I want to de-politicize it and de-mystify it. --Jimbo

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erik_moeller＠gmx.de

8 Mar 8 Mar

2:02 a.m.

Yeah, Ed, you probably shouldn't do that if people don't like the idea.

But we really should consider adjusting the software so that it happens automatically. I want to de-politicize it and de-mystify it.

First we need to clean up the undeletion process and keep a log of page protection/unprotection, otherwise things could get messy if a sysop ran amok. Regards, Erik

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Stevertigo

2:52 a.m.

JW ---But we really should consider adjusting the software so that it happens automatically. I want to de-politicize it and de-mystify it.

E.M- First we need to clean up the undeletion process and keep a log of

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protection/unprotection, otherwise things could get messy if a sysop ran amok.

I pretty much thought so... doing a couple weeks casual intern time would be just too easy for a whacker on a mission... Im all for semi-automation (software assistance) of crap cleanup, and of course though. - 豎眩:sv

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Jimmy Wales

10 Mar 10 Mar

12:20 p.m.

Erik Moeller wrote:

> But we really should consider adjusting the software so that it > happens automatically. I want to de-politicize it and de-mystify it.

First we need to clean up the undeletion process and keep a log of page protection/unprotection, otherwise things could get messy if a sysop ran amok.

I agree! The reasons why we don't currently do auto-sysopping are good ones. But there is a side-effect that isn't good, i.e. the notion of sysops having special authority over non-sysop users. --Jimbo

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Stevertigo

8 Mar 8 Mar

3:55 a.m.

Alright. I formally request sysop status. Talk amongst yourselves. -豎眩:Sv

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Axel Boldt

9 Mar 9 Mar

1:30 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

--- Stevertigo <stevertigo(a)attbi.com> wrote:

Alright. I formally request sysop status. Talk amongst yourselves. -豎眩:Sv

Opposed. Reasons: low-quality and irritating edits in the past, an obvious delight in contributing to controversies, and an incoherent style of arguing. Axel __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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tarquin

1:51 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

Axel Boldt wrote:

--- Stevertigo <stevertigo(a)attbi.com> wrote:

Alright. I formally request sysop status. Talk amongst yourselves. -è±}çS©:Sv

Opposed. Reasons: low-quality and irritating edits in the past, an obvious delight in contributing to controversies, and an incoherent style of arguing.

And creating this daft bandwagon of EVERYONE signing in foreign scripts. Christopher Mahan wrote:

As a compromise, I would say that those who prefer to write their

name in their native script should be allowed to do so but as far as I can tell, Stevertigo's name is *Steven* -- from his user page: ?? "Crowned" + "dizzy" (/Crowned is the Christian meaning for Steven/) so he's just *interpreted* his name into Hanji, and got eveyone wound up in the process. arrete de faire l'interessant!

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Stevertigo

2:03 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

Tarquin complained: "so he's just *interpreted* his name into Hanji, and got eveyone wound up

in ?>the process. arrete de faire l'interessant!" People do what they want, provided nobodys feelins get hurt. I agreed to the compromise Chris suggested and you echoed... hence the "sv." Problem? Thats two 'good' reasons against. Anyone else? -豎眩:sv _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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tarquin

2:10 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

Stevertigo wrote:

Tarquin complained: "so he's just *interpreted* his name into Hanji, and got eveyone wound up

in ?>the process. arrete de faire l'interessant!" People do what they want, provided nobodys feelins get hurt. I agreed to the compromise Chris suggested and you echoed... hence the "sv." Problem? Thats two 'good' reasons against. Anyone else? -豎眩:sv

I didn't mean it as a reason against. But could you now go round and tell ALL the other users who have imitated you to stick to the same compromise? do what you want, but clean up the mess please

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Stevertigo

2:18 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

0>But could you now go round and tell ALL the other users who have

imitated you to stick to the same compromise? do what you want, but clean up the mess please

I told Goat. I didnt know I had a larger 'following'.. Ill see what I can do. -Stevertigo

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Vicki Rosenzweig

2:08 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

At 12:51 AM 3/9/03 +0000, you wrote:

Axel Boldt wrote:

--- Stevertigo <stevertigo(a)attbi.com> wrote:

Alright. I formally request sysop status. Talk amongst yourselves. -è±}çS©:Sv

Opposed. Reasons: low-quality and irritating edits in the past, an obvious delight in contributing to controversies, and an incoherent style of arguing.

And creating this daft bandwagon of EVERYONE signing in foreign scripts. Christopher Mahan wrote:

As a compromise, I would say that those who prefer to write their

name in their native script should be allowed to do so but as far as I can tell, Stevertigo's name is *Steven* -- from his user page: ?? "Crowned" + "dizzy" (/Crowned is the Christian meaning for Steven/) so he's just *interpreted* his name into Hanji, and got eveyone wound up in the process. arrete de faire l'interessant!

And, if I read it right, used "Christian" to mean "English". -- Vicki Rosenzweig vr(a)redbird.org http://www.redbird.org

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Stevertigo

2:21 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

Vicki quipped: And, if I read it right, used "Christian" to mean "English".

Look, nearly every Westernized name has a "meaning," often rooted in Judeo-Christian mythos... Steven means 'Crowned' - Vicki means something else, I used to know what Danny meant, "Michael" might stand for 'pain in the butt'.. but I digress... Translating phonetics into a language that doesnt have Germanic/ Latin phonetics is problematic. The S(sibilant)T(plosive) combination isnt found in phonetic renderings of Kanji... Japanese would change it to 'Si-de' or 'Sa-ti-va' .. in Chinese 'Shi-ben' ... Korean, I dunno. Any translation to Kanji requires a choice between the meaning or the phonetic.. Some do both but... Since most westernized names have long lost their original 'meaning' - Any record of such meaning assigned to such name becomes relevant, should "meaning" become relevant. Entiendes? - 豎眩:sv

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Vicki Rosenzweig

3:35 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

At 05:21 PM 3/8/03 -0800, you wrote:

Vicki quipped: And, if I read it right, used "Christian" to mean "English".

Look, nearly every Westernized name has a "meaning," often rooted in Judeo-Christian mythos... Steven means 'Crowned' -

And neither "crowned" nor "Steven" is inherently Christian. Many cultures and religions crown people.

Vicki means something else, I used to know what Danny meant, "Michael" might stand for 'pain in the butt'.. but I digress... Translating phonetics into a language that doesnt have Germanic/ Latin phonetics is problematic. The S(sibilant)T(plosive) combination isnt found in phonetic renderings of Kanji... Japanese would change it to 'Si-de' or 'Sa-ti-va' .. in Chinese 'Shi-ben' ... Korean, I dunno. Any translation to Kanji requires a choice between the meaning or the phonetic.. Some do both but... Since most westernized names have long lost their original 'meaning' - Any record of such meaning assigned to such name becomes relevant, should "meaning" become relevant. Entiendes? - è±ç©:sv

Si, entiendo muy bien. Como se dice en japonesa "vertigo"? My name is a diminutive of "Victoria", so it means "victorious", and my last name means "rose branch". -- Vicki Rosenzweig vr(a)redbird.org http://www.redbird.org

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Stevertigo

4:04 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

Victoria scribed: Si, entiendo muy bien. Como se dice en japonesa

"vertigo"?

My name is a diminutive of "Victoria", so it means "victorious", and my last name means "rose branch".

Ay, que bueno.- here is the Hanji for your name : 勝槿朶(Victory+Rose+Branch) - Many blessings upon ye and yir progeny. 豎眩:sv

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Jimmy Wales

10 Mar 10 Mar

12:22 p.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:

My name is a diminutive of "Victoria", so it means "victorious", and my last name means "rose branch".

And "Jimbo" means hillbilly, so... :-) --Jimbo

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Stevertigo

9 Mar 9 Mar

1:57 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

Opposed. Reasons: low-quality and irritating edits in the past, an obvious delight in contributing to controversies, and an incoherent style of arguing. Axel The [[Aids Kills Fags Dead]] Article? Is that the one youre referring to Axel? Indeed. -豎眩sv

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Zoe

7:45 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

And just a general incoherence that verges on the obsessive. Zoe Axel Boldt <axelboldt(a)yahoo.com> wrote:--- Stevertigo wrote:

Alright. I formally request sysop status. Talk amongst yourselves. -豎眩:Sv

Opposed. Reasons: low-quality and irritating edits in the past, an obvious delight in contributing to controversies, and an incoherent style of arguing. Axel __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

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Stevertigo

4:22 p.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

Zoe summarized: And just a general incoherence that verges on the obsessive.

Not to mention the "sexist", the "monolithic" and the "anti-Semitic"... c'mon... get it all out of your system... -豎眩:sv

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Vicki Rosenzweig

4:29 p.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop? (was: automatic sysopping)

At 07:22 AM 3/9/03 -0800, Stevertigo wrote:

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Zoe summarized: And just a general incoherence that verges on the

obsessive. Not to mention the "sexist", the "monolithic" and the "anti-Semitic"... c'mon... get it all out of your system... -è±ç ©:sv

And the illegible--black on dark gray doesn't work for me. And that's not a cultural matter--your non-ASCII characters are as illegible as the other kind. If you want to communicate onlist, *please* drop the HTML formatting and let the recipients play with the colors if we want to. -- Vicki Rosenzweig vr(a)redbird.org http://www.redbird.org

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erik_moeller＠gmx.de

10 Mar 10 Mar

12:33 a.m.

New subject: Stevertigo sysop?

-+- Stevertigo <stevertigo(a)attbi.com> wrote: > Alright. I formally request sysop status. Talk amongst yourselves. > -Φ▒Äτ£⌐:Sv

Opposed. Reasons: low-quality and irritating edits in the past, an obvious delight in contributing to controversies, and an incoherent style of arguing.

I have no objections to Steve's sysop request. He may not be perfect, but he certainly qualifies according to our current "trusted contributor" requirement, unlike "Throbbing Monster Cock", who was the reason we created that requirement. Let's not be arbitrary here. Regards, Erik

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