Wikichix should not be on the wikimedia servers.
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It isn't. You are a little out of date here.
The Cunctator wrote:
Wikichix should not be on the wikimedia servers.
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Good. I would note that the below message originated from the Wikimedia servers this morning.
On 12/5/06, Puppy puppy@killerchihuahua.com wrote:
It isn't. You are a little out of date here.
The Cunctator wrote:
Wikichix should not be on the wikimedia servers.
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Date: Dec 5, 2006 5:59 AM Subject: Request to mailing list Wikichix-l rejected To: cunctator@gmail.com
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Bryan Derksen wrote:
Puppy wrote:
It isn't. You are a little out of date here.
Excellent. I still think it's a bad idea, but if it's not being supported in any way by Wikimedia Foundation there's no need to complain about it here any more.
I agree on both points - one more strongly than the other, as I am still more or less fence-sitting on the idea of the list itself. This leaves us back at square one, however - the bias and discomfort women are experiencing here. -kc-
Puppy wrote:
I agree on both points - one more strongly than the other, as I am still more or less fence-sitting on the idea of the list itself. This leaves us back at square one, however - the bias and discomfort women are experiencing here.
My one attempt so far at easing tensions exploded rather messily in my face so I'm kind of reluctant to offer more at the moment. Perhaps tomorrow if the thread's still running.
Subscription request has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request:
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Maybe we should have a mailing list just for men, too! And a mailing list for British people where no Americans are allowed! Or a mailing list just for atheists where no Christians would be accepted!
Bogdan Giusca wrote:
Subscription request has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request:
"Hi Cunctator. We're only accepting women at this time. I suggest you comment on the existing Wikimedia lists instead. This presence of this list isn't meant to prevent men commening - which you can still do on wikien-l etc."
Maybe we should have a mailing list just for men, too! And a mailing list for British people where no Americans are allowed! Or a mailing list just for atheists where no Christians would be accepted!
... a mailing list for homosexual African-Americans from planets other than earth?
On 12/5/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Bogdan Giusca wrote:
Subscription request has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request:
"Hi Cunctator. We're only accepting women at this time. I suggest you comment on the existing Wikimedia lists instead. This presence of this list isn't meant to prevent men commening - which you can still do on wikien-l etc."
Maybe we should have a mailing list just for men, too! And a mailing
list
for British people where no Americans are allowed! Or a mailing list just for atheists where no Christians would be accepted!
... a mailing list for homosexual African-Americans from planets other than earth?
Now that the article has been deleted I think there is a real need for some tool (such as a list) to deal with this sort of discrimination!
Alphax (Wikipedia email) wrote:
Bogdan Giusca wrote:
Subscription request has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request:
"Hi Cunctator. We're only accepting women at this time. I suggest you comment on the existing Wikimedia lists instead. This presence of this list isn't meant to prevent men commening - which you can still do on wikien-l etc."
Maybe we should have a mailing list just for men, too! And a mailing list for British people where no Americans are allowed! Or a mailing list just for atheists where no Christians would be accepted!
... a mailing list for homosexual African-Americans from planets other than earth?
Will be open only if you can find a moderator for it before.
Ant
On 12/5/06, Bogdan Giusca liste@dapyx.com wrote:
Subscription request has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request:
"Hi Cunctator. We're only accepting women at this time. I suggest you comment on the existing Wikimedia lists instead. This presence of this list isn't meant to prevent men commening - which you can still do on wikien-l etc."
Maybe we should have a mailing list just for men, too! And a mailing list for British people where no Americans are allowed! Or a mailing list just for atheists where no Christians would be accepted!
Has a need for British-only or atheist-only lists been identified? I haven't noticed ay such discussion on this list. If such an issue has been identified and discussed, then it's worth considering. If it's just based on the fact that people feel excluded - sure, I don't like being excluded from things either. But the list was organised to avoid a specific problem - women feeling uncomfortable posting to this male-dominated list where explicitly sexist statements (even if they weren't meant seriously) are left unchallenged by a large number of people.
Guettarda wrote:
But the list was organised to avoid a specific problem
- women feeling uncomfortable posting to this male-dominated list where
explicitly sexist statements (even if they weren't meant seriously) are left unchallenged by a large number of people.
So "don't feed the trolls" is not universal advice?
Could somebody provide a list of topics on which it is safe to flame the trolls, please, because I'm sure there are plenty who'd be happy to oblige.
On 12/5/06, Phil Boswell phil.boswell@gmail.com wrote:
Guettarda wrote:
But the list was organised to avoid a specific problem
- women feeling uncomfortable posting to this male-dominated list where
explicitly sexist statements (even if they weren't meant seriously) are left unchallenged by a large number of people.
So "don't feed the trolls" is not universal advice?
Could somebody provide a list of topics on which it is safe to flame the trolls, please, because I'm sure there are plenty who'd be happy to oblige. -- Phil
At the time it looked like misogyny, not trolling. Tolerance of things like that is probably one of the things that make some women unwilling to post to this list. You can't judge things on the basis of who says it. The fact that I respect Alphax's opinion (in general) and think that he's often one of the more sensible people posting to this list is all the more reason to call him on the statement he made.
"Don't feed the trolls" is a meaningless cliche, especially in this context. "Silence is consent" is far more applicable.
Ian
Tuesday, December 5, 2006, 4:29:32 PM, Guettarda wrote:
But the list was organised to avoid a specific problem
- women feeling uncomfortable posting to this male-dominated list where
explicitly sexist statements (even if they weren't meant seriously) are left unchallenged by a large number of people.
A better solution would be to kick any of the men that behave like that, not to assume that "all men are chauvinist pigs".
Bogdan Giusca wrote:
Tuesday, December 5, 2006, 4:29:32 PM, Guettarda wrote:
But the list was organised to avoid a specific problem
- women feeling uncomfortable posting to this male-dominated list where
explicitly sexist statements (even if they weren't meant seriously) are left unchallenged by a large number of people.
A better solution would be to kick any of the men that behave like that, not to assume that "all men are chauvinist pigs".
I refer you to my previous post on en for my thoughts on that: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/htdig/wikien-l/2006-November/056916.html -kc-
On 12/5/06, Guettarda guettarda@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/5/06, Bogdan Giusca liste@dapyx.com wrote:
Subscription request has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request:
"Hi Cunctator. We're only accepting women at this time. I suggest you comment on the existing Wikimedia lists instead. This presence of this list isn't meant to prevent men commening - which you can still do on wikien-l etc."
Maybe we should have a mailing list just for men, too! And a mailing
list
for British people where no Americans are allowed! Or a mailing list just for atheists where no Christians would be accepted!
Has a need for British-only or atheist-only lists been identified? I haven't noticed ay such discussion on this list. If such an issue has been identified and discussed, then it's worth considering. If it's just based on the fact that people feel excluded - sure, I don't like being excluded from things either. But the list was organised to avoid a specific problem
- women feeling uncomfortable posting to this male-dominated list where
explicitly sexist statements (even if they weren't meant seriously) are left unchallenged by a large number of people.
This is not, however, the proper way to deal with the issue. In effect, the editors who subscribe to wikichix have caved in to the intimidation by creating their own mailing list. Imagine if Rosa Parks, no matter how tired she was, caved in to intimidation that December day in 1955. Imagine if Marin Luther King had given in to intimidation and not called for the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Caving in resolves nothing.
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