An Open Letter to the person posting on Wikipedia as "SlimVirgin" -
It has come to our attention that you have made claims that our site, the Wikipedia Review, contains postings that include, in your words "actionable libel".
This is a serious accusation. Without waiver of any protections afforded as an internet content provider under 47 U.S.C. § 230 (1996)http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000230----000-.html, it is not our intention to continue hosting any statements that are defamatory once we are made aware of them.
We offer to you to remove any statements on the Wikipedia Review that are defamatory. However, as only your pseudonym is known to us, it is impossible for us to determine which statements about you are true and which are not. As we are sure you know, true statements cannot be defamatory. These are options which you may pursue:
First, you are welcome to join our site as a member and contribute corrections to any false information.
Second, you are always welcome to email either our administrators (many of them have email addresses linked to their usernames on our site), or to send mail to "AntiCabal =at= Gmail =dot= com".
We hope that you will take advantage of this offer. As noted, your accusations are serious, and a claim of "actionable libel" itself may be a legal threat of a kind that we understood was not allowed on Wikipedia. We will welcome any effort you make to set the record straight.
/signed/ Wikipedia Review
Wikipedia Review wrote:
An Open Letter to the person posting on Wikipedia as "SlimVirgin" -
It has come to our attention that you have made claims that our site, the Wikipedia Review, contains postings that include, in your words "actionable libel".
This is a serious accusation. Without waiver of any protections afforded as an internet content provider under 47 U.S.C. § 230 (1996)http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000230----000-.html, it is not our intention to continue hosting any statements that are defamatory once we are made aware of them.
We offer to you to remove any statements on the Wikipedia Review that are defamatory. However, as only your pseudonym is known to us, it is impossible for us to determine which statements about you are true and which are not. As we are sure you know, true statements cannot be defamatory. These are options which you may pursue:
First, you are welcome to join our site as a member and contribute corrections to any false information.
Second, you are always welcome to email either our administrators (many of them have email addresses linked to their usernames on our site), or to send mail to "AntiCabal =at= Gmail =dot= com".
We hope that you will take advantage of this offer. As noted, your accusations are serious, and a claim of "actionable libel" itself may be a legal threat of a kind that we understood was not allowed on Wikipedia. We will welcome any effort you make to set the record straight.
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How the hell did this piece of trolling get though? Moderators wake up!
On 31/05/07, doc doc.wikipedia@ntlworld.com wrote:
How the hell did this piece of trolling get though? Moderators wake up!
I have no idea. They're certainly not on the list now.
- d.
On Thu, 31 May 2007 13:39:41 +0100, doc doc.wikipedia@ntlworld.com wrote:
How the hell did this piece of trolling get though? Moderators wake up!
Hey, /I/ needed the laugh!
Guy (JzG)
On 5/31/07, doc doc.wikipedia@ntlworld.com wrote:
Wikipedia Review wrote:
An Open Letter to the person posting on Wikipedia as "SlimVirgin" -
It has come to our attention that you have made claims that our site, the Wikipedia Review, contains postings that include, in your words "actionable libel".
This is a serious accusation. Without waiver of any protections afforded as an internet content provider under 47 U.S.C. § 230 (1996)http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000230----000-.html, it is not our intention to continue hosting any statements that are defamatory once we are made aware of them.
We offer to you to remove any statements on the Wikipedia Review that are defamatory. However, as only your pseudonym is known to us, it is impossible for us to determine which statements about you are true and which are not. As we are sure you know, true statements cannot be defamatory. These are options which you may pursue:
First, you are welcome to join our site as a member and contribute corrections to any false information.
Second, you are always welcome to email either our administrators (many of them have email addresses linked to their usernames on our site), or to send mail to "AntiCabal =at= Gmail =dot= com".
We hope that you will take advantage of this offer. As noted, your accusations are serious, and a claim of "actionable libel" itself may be a legal threat of a kind that we understood was not allowed on Wikipedia. We will welcome any effort you make to set the record straight.
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How the hell did this piece of trolling get though? Moderators wake up!
Well, you *were* calling them libelers. ~~~~
On 5/31/07, Gabe Johnson gjzilla@gmail.com wrote:
Well, you *were* calling them libelers. ~~~~
Can you even libel in most jurisdictions an anonymous handle? That UberWiki747 beats his wife and kids and is an alcoholic! How do you libel "UberWiki747"?
I sort of think that in any sane jurisdiction you CAN'T. Now if I said, "Peter Griffin, of 122 Main Street, Quahog, RI beats his kids..." it would be libel. But if Peter hides as UberWiki747, and can't be proven it's Peter... its not libel. Peter would have to disclose he was UberWiki, no?
Regards, Joe http://www.joeszilagyi.com
Joe Szilagyi wrote:
I sort of think that in any sane jurisdiction you CAN'T. Now if I said, "Peter Griffin, of 122 Main Street, Quahog, RI beats his kids..." it would be libel. But if Peter hides as UberWiki747, and can't be proven it's Peter... its not libel. Peter would have to disclose he was UberWiki, no?
Exactly - those guys obsess over the real identities of editors, and are always looking for new and different ways to acquire them; this message is just another of their fishing expeditions.
Stan
On 5/31/07, Stan Shebs stanshebs@earthlink.net wrote:
Joe Szilagyi wrote:
I sort of think that in any sane jurisdiction you CAN'T. Now if I said, "Peter Griffin, of 122 Main Street, Quahog, RI beats his kids..." it
would
be libel. But if Peter hides as UberWiki747, and can't be proven it's Peter... its not libel. Peter would have to disclose he was UberWiki,
no?
Exactly - those guys obsess over the real identities of editors, and are always looking for new and different ways to acquire them; this message is just another of their fishing expeditions.
Er, no. I was making the specific point that you can't libel a fellow named UberWiki747 and have it legally processed, anymore than you can libel "SlimVirgin". Stan Shebs and Joe Szilagyi (assuming those are our real names) can, however, be libeled. I can't think of a single case where an anonymous alias was ever able to prosecute something like that in the United States but feel free to correct that with {{fact}} if I'm wrong. The point is that anyone named "GenericEditor112" saying that someone on Wikipedia Review, or ED, or anywhere else was libeled on the given website, is full of baloney. It may be libel, *IF* the person's real name and identity was libeled. If it's not really them, it's not libel.
As for it being a fishing expedition, it wasn't. They clarified the factual law that applies to a website hosted in the United States, which is covered by the same Section 230 protections that theoretically apply to Wikipedia. Saying something is libel doesn't make it libel.
Regards, Joe http://www.joeszilagyi.com
Heh, they used Gmail.
--John Reaves
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