A couple of points. 1. EoT's pages are a gross abuse of a fellow user. Under no circumstances should that treatment of anyone be tolerated. 2. I don't believe Martin handled the situation well, but I do not believe for one moment that he was trying to harrass Robert. What he was trying to do, wrongly in my view, but with genuine motivation, was pull together the multitude of pages EoT has been creating, so that a decision can be taken on them en bloc. My vote is for their immediate and complete deletion. Please do not take what I have to say next, Robert, as a personal attack, because it not intended to be so. I believe that Robert is a sincere and genuine user. Nevertheless I do believe is attacks on people have been seriously misguided. Comments about 'jew-baiting' and 'anti-semitism' were wide of the mark. Much of what went on was simply Robert-baiting and anti-Robertism. That does not make it right, but it is wrong to attach religious or ethnic connotations to what has been going on. There have been cases of jew-baiting on wiki, a few cases, and I have blocked on the most recent culprits and called for the banning of another. Robert's predicament reminds me of the boy who cried wolf too often. When finally the wolf did come and the boy called for help, no-one believed him because he had cried wolf falsely so many times. Robert's constant accusing of a large number of people of anti-semitism and jew-baiting, genuinely though he may have felt it (and I do accept Robert's sincerity) was a misguided reaction. As a result, when real jew-baiting and real anti-semitism has been expressed, people have been so fed up reacting to false charges in the past that they have paid no heed. Robert's attack on Martin is similarly misguided and unfair. Both are genuine users doing what they believe is the right thing. But by over the top attacks on a genuine user, Robert's past attacks have undermined the power of his genuine complaints about the behaviour of EoT. Please Robert, for your own sake, distinguish between the misguided but well motivated actions of some people, and those, a very tiny minority, who deserve criticism. I accept unreservedly Robert's sincerity. Unlike Adam, DW etc Robert's clashes with people have been motivated by a genuine if misguided honesty. But please Robert, recognise that others too who clash with you are sincere and don't make wild and unfair allegations against them. Finally, in view of the constant behaviour of EoT, which is quite frankly highly distasteful, to put it at its mildest, and deeply disrespectful of a member of the community, and in view of his constant ignoring of appeals from Jimbo for restraint (which he regularly deletes from his userpage) I hereby call for the banning of EoT. JT _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963