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charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com

29 Nov 2007 29 Nov '07

9:15 a.m.

The italic lightweight notes at the top of articles are "hatnotes" (per Wikipedia:Hatnote, in the Manual of Style). Anyone ready with the background of this term? Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

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Charlotte Webb

29 Nov 29 Nov

9:21 a.m.

On 11/29/07, charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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The italic lightweight notes at the top of articles are "hatnotes" (per Wikipedia:Hatnote, in the Manual of Style). Anyone ready with the background of this term?

Sounds like something somebody pulled out of [a hat]. Really I don't know, and have never been a fan of the term or the "rules" they came up with regarding the placement of in-article disambiguation guides. —C.W.

Sam Blacketer

9:23 a.m.

On 11/29/07, charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com < charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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The italic lightweight notes at the top of articles are "hatnotes" (per Wikipedia:Hatnote, in the Manual of Style). Anyone ready with the background of this term?

Just a guess, but if the footnote is named after the thing at the lowest point of the human body, then a hatnote could be named after the thing at the highest point. -- Sam Blacketer London E15

Thomas Dalton

9:33 a.m.

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Just a guess, but if the footnote is named after the thing at the lowest point of the human body, then a hatnote could be named after the thing at the highest point.

That's my guess too, although headnote would make more sense.

Guettarda

9:36 a.m.

IIRC, Stevertigo made up the term. Search the archives of this list - he talked about it sometime in the last couple months. On Nov 29, 2007 11:33 AM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Just a guess, but if the footnote is named after the thing at the lowest point of the human body, then a hatnote could be named after the thing

the highest point.

That's my guess too, although headnote would make more sense. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Charlotte Webb

9:42 a.m.

On 11/29/07, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Just a guess, but if the footnote is named after the thing at the lowest point of the human body, then a hatnote could be named after the thing at the highest point.

That's my guess too, although headnote would make more sense.

Yes it would, cf. "header" and "footer", but apparently "headnote" already has some other meaning in court documents, which is not analogous to most uses of informative italic text on Wikipedia. Seriously there has got to be a better word. —C.W.

Oskar Sigvardsson

11:42 a.m.

On Nov 29, 2007 6:42 PM, Charlotte Webb <charlottethewebb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 11/29/07, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Just a guess, but if the footnote is named after the thing at the lowest point of the human body, then a hatnote could be named after the thing at the highest point.

That's my guess too, although headnote would make more sense.

I like it! It's like there's the regular article, and ohh! There's a little hat on it! Helping me to find what I need. How lovely! I'm totally in favour of the term hatnote. It's so cute! --Oskar

Ray Saintonge

1:45 p.m.

Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:

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On Nov 29, 2007 6:42 PM, Charlotte Webb <charlottethewebb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/29/07, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Just a guess, but if the footnote is named after the thing at the lowest point of the human body, then a hatnote could be named after the thing at the highest point.

That's my guess too, although headnote would make more sense.

I like it! It's like there's the regular article, and ohh! There's a little hat on it! Helping me to find what I need. How lovely! I'm totally in favour of the term hatnote. It's so cute!

I have vague recollections of the term being used for notes (or questions) being passed around in a hat from which speakers can randomly choose a speaking topic or, election candidates can choose a question to answer. Unfortunately, I don't have any references for that view so it would be wrong to insist. Ec

Andrew Gray

3:40 p.m.

On 29/11/2007, charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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The italic lightweight notes at the top of articles are "hatnotes" (per Wikipedia:Hatnote, in the Manual of Style). Anyone ready with the background of this term?

We made it up (or resurrected it from a very obscure usage, as with "disambiguation" - I must post my little study of this one day), I believe. As jargon goes, it's not bad - it's succinct, and fairly clear. I've not yet seen anyone encounter the term and not realise immediately what it means, and I've certainly seen it used a lot as though it were a proper term of art. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

Stephen Bain

30 Nov 30 Nov

4:29 a.m.

On Nov 30, 2007 10:40 AM, Andrew Gray <shimgray(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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As jargon goes, it's not bad - it's succinct, and fairly clear. I've not yet seen anyone encounter the term and not realise immediately what it means, and I've certainly seen it used a lot as though it were a proper term of art.

Yes, I like it too. It also handily implies that the note is something separate, but attached to the article. -- Stephen Bain stephen.bain(a)gmail.com

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Andrew Gray
charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com
Charlotte Webb
Guettarda
Oskar Sigvardsson
Ray Saintonge
Sam Blacketer
Stephen Bain
Thomas Dalton