On 28 Aug 2004, at 00:13, wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:30:55 -0700 From: Stan Shebs shebs@apple.com
let's see a sample article developed according to the principles of Islamic or Hindu civilization. Dunno about other people, but I'm tremendously curious about how that would go.
Stan
Me too, but let's face it guys: Most of use don't really know ANYTHING about Islamic or Hindu civilization or their cultural principles. How much do you know about Islamic scholarship? See? We should thus never make the mistake of denying or belittling their cultural achievements when we don't even KNOW them. Because doing so would say more about our ability to monopolize most channels of communication with our views and achievements than about the worth or lack thereof of theirs.
NB: It should be noted that Hinduism and Islam are RELIGIONS. Mentioning these religions when we were talking about western civilization is rather conspicuous: Do we equalize western civilization with Christianity or are we /so/ unknowing that we even fail to distinguish between Indian and Arabic civilizations and their respective religions?
-- Jens [[User:Ropers|Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com
Jens Ropers wrote:
It should be noted that Hinduism and Islam are RELIGIONS. Mentioning these religions when we were talking about western civilization is rather conspicuous: Do we equalize western civilization with Christianity or are we /so/ unknowing that we even fail to distinguish between Indian and Arabic civilizations and their respective religions?
Speak for yourself - Arabs are an ethnic group, and not even all Muslim. "Islamic civilization" is likely not the perfect term, but in my daily reading of various Middle Eastern newspapers over the past several years, I don't think I've seen a better one.
But this is exactly what I mean about pointless berating; you're trying to tell me to devalue the ideals of Western civilization in favor of ... of ... well, you don't seem to know. When you find out, get back to me with the details and I'll take a look.
Stan
On 28 Aug 2004, at 08:22, Stan Shebs wrote:
you're trying to tell me to devalue the ideals of Western civilization in favor of ... of ... well, you don't seem to know.
No I didn't. I wrote:
Islamic or Hindu civilization (...) We should thus never make the mistake of denying or belittling their cultural achievements
I spoke out against us belittling other cultures' achievements. I did not belittle ours.
-- Jens [[User:Ropers|Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com