... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
- d.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
English Wikipedians or German Wikipedians?
On 10/04/2008, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
English Wikipedians or German Wikipedians?
Answer freely.
(and please answer your mail!)
- d.
On 10/04/2008, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
- d.
I'd tell you, but it would be original research.
Risker
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On 10/04/2008, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
One. See [[WP:BOLD]]. Of course, someone might change it back, and then all hell breaks loose.
(Is that too boring an answer?)
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 5:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
t=2^n
where t is time in minutes, and n is the number of wikipedians involved. :P (not tested!)
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
It's [[WP:NOT#DEMOCRACY|not]] the number of Wikipedians that counts, it's the policy-based reasoning that [[WP:PROCESS|matters]]. Unfortunately, the question is moot, since all the lightbulbs are threaded clockwise and all the sockets counterclockwise.
(Incidentally, did anyone know that [[wp:process]] and [[WP:PROCESS]] go to different places? A maze of twisty little passages, all different...)
On 10/04/2008, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
Only one, but then he gets taken to ArbCom for vandalism.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
You'd need one first to bring up changing the lightbulb on the talk page, several more to debate it, one to propose [[Wikipedia:Changing lightbulbs/Noticeboard]] and some others to accuse that one of process creeping, yet another to accuse the first person of being an anti-lightbulb POV pusher...
Excuse my ignorance, but what is a lightbulb in Wikipedia's cult?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Alex Sawczynec glasscobra15@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
Not exactly sure...that's part of the fun. I suspect you could ask at [[Wikipedia:Requests for process]] that someone design a process by which lightbulb metaphors for Wikipedia activities are defined, if you wanted to.
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Usamah M. Ali usamah1228@gmail.com wrote:
Excuse my ignorance, but what is a lightbulb in Wikipedia's cult?
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On 4/11/08, Usamah M. Ali usamah1228@gmail.com wrote:
Excuse my ignorance, but what is a lightbulb in Wikipedia's cult?
I was thinking about this very question, and I just a while back came to the realisation that all the approaches were failing, just because this question wasn't first answered.
I think in wikipedias context, we should most likely say that we don't change lightbulbs, mostly, but simply edit the filament itself, directly. Of course the annoying bit is that the lampshade would have all sorts of stickers on it like {{fact}}, {{citation}}, and so forth. And people would edit the filament not just to fix it, but also to change the wattage, the colour of light it radiates (including the ultraviolet and infrared compsition).
But the crazyness of our method, has it's own kind of sense to it. Most times not much like a barnraising, and more like refurbishing a garden after a winter, picking up the leaves and other stuff to make mulch in a compost, and the rest, as a group of noisy but cheerful folks, as a community.
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
On 11/04/2008, Alex Sawczynec glasscobra15@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
You'd need one first to bring up changing the lightbulb on the talk page, several more to debate it, one to propose [[Wikipedia:Changing lightbulbs/Noticeboard]] and some others to accuse that one of process creeping, yet another to accuse the first person of being an anti-lightbulb POV pusher...
Unless the lightbulb is of a reddish pink colour, in which case all discussion can be deleted and the wrong lightbulb protected.
On 11/04/2008, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/04/2008, Alex Sawczynec glasscobra15@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
You'd need one first to bring up changing the lightbulb on the talk
page,
several more to debate it, one to propose [[Wikipedia:Changing lightbulbs/Noticeboard]] and some others to accuse that one of process creeping, yet another to accuse the first person of being an
anti-lightbulb
POV pusher...
Unless the lightbulb is of a reddish pink colour, in which case all discussion can be deleted and the wrong lightbulb protected.
Two we'll get Fred to argue that lightbulds aren't necessary so the whole thing is mute.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/04/2008, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/04/2008, Alex Sawczynec glasscobra15@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com
wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
You'd need one first to bring up changing the lightbulb on the talk
page,
several more to debate it, one to propose [[Wikipedia:Changing lightbulbs/Noticeboard]] and some others to accuse that one of
process
creeping, yet another to accuse the first person of being an
anti-lightbulb
POV pusher...
Unless the lightbulb is of a reddish pink colour, in which case all discussion can be deleted and the wrong lightbulb protected.
Two we'll get Fred to argue that lightbulds aren't necessary so the whole thing is mute. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
But is it a notable light bulb? It should be brought up at XfD especially since the last person who changed it was an anon who wrote "poop" all over it.
In order to change the lightbulb and make certain that the change is the *right* change requires the participation of the entire community.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
Elias Friedman wrote:
But is it a notable light bulb? It should be brought up at XfD especially since the last person who changed it was an anon who wrote "poop" all over it.
Let's just merge and redirect all lightbulbs into the Sun, no need to bother XfD that way.
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Rich Holton wrote:
In order to change the lightbulb and make certain that the change is the *right* change requires the participation of the entire community.
It's lightcruft. I'm going to go ahead and merge it into the Sun, if people still want that room lighted afterward they can use a mirror.
On 10/04/2008, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
I suggest you discuss changing it on the talk page, lightbulb has been locked due to edit warring.
- d.
On 4/11/08, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
- d.
Well, all of them, naturally, but the actual lightbulb will remain broken, as all the wikipedians just keep twiddling the bulb, without ever ending with the perfect light bulb, until we can finally pass it through FAC, when we have found a reliable light-source for it.
On the other side, the suggestion is a positive one, we do need more people interested in adding light rather than heat, in some of the compartments of wikipedia.
Another well worn option would be just adding candle-stubs, and leaving the light bulb alone.
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
It would be impossible for the lightbulb to ever be changed, no matter how broken it was. Imagine trying to get consensus for the procedure of changing, what new lightbulb we should get, how it should be installed. Good heavens...
CM
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:18:40 +0100 From: dgerard@gmail.com To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] So, I was wondering ...
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
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I'm surprised people have answered this question without ArbCom approval.
I'll be requesting arbitration on the lot of you.
lol and is there an answer or is it divisive? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan? Not one of the answers shares a common goal of getting the light back on.
In other words, we've failed to reach consensus, and so we must no go to ANI and hope others will find it for us?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 7:39 PM, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
lol and is there an answer or is it divisive? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan? Not one of the answers shares a common goal of getting the light back on. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
On 11/04/2008, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
In other words, we've failed to reach consensus, and so we must no go to ANI and hope others will find it for us?
AN/I thread ==Can Someone Put the Light Back ON?==
Well it's daylight where I am
I cant find your diffs -- are you sure you have spoke to User:Lightbulb? : my bad blocked user? ::no see AIV
But its dark? :Its not dark here - are you sure your diffs are right? :::User:Lightbulb blocked
Seven <ref> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lightbulb&action=history </ref>
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
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Wily D wrote:
Seven <ref> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lightbulb&action=history
</ref>
Wikipedia is not citeable as a reliable source! That's OR!
On 11/04/2008, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
Wily D wrote:
Seven <ref> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lightbulb&action=history
</ref>
Wikipedia is not citeable as a reliable source! That's OR!
Nope invoking [[WP:BOLD]] *Though the boldness of contributors like you is one of Wikipedia's most precious assets, it is important that contributors take care of the common good, at least that they do not edit recklessly. However, any changes you make that turn out badly can be reverted, often quite painlessly.
*How many editors does it taken to remove the new bulb?
mike :-P
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:10 PM, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/04/2008, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
Wily D wrote:
Seven <ref> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lightbulb&action=history
</ref>
Wikipedia is not citeable as a reliable source! That's OR!
Nope invoking [[WP:BOLD]] *Though the boldness of contributors like you is one of Wikipedia's most precious assets, it is important that contributors take care of the common good, at least that they do not edit recklessly. However, any changes you make that turn out badly can be reverted, often quite painlessly.
*How many editors does it taken to remove the new bulb?
mike :-P
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It only [[WP:BOLD|takes one]]. But of course, then someone else will come along and argue that the light bulb sheds a [[WP:NPOV|false light]], and that their lightbulb that they [[WP:NOR|made themself]] is much better. Of course, our [[WP:5P|electrical code]] does not allow for homemade lightbulbs, but [[WP:POVPUSH|some]] have difficulty figuring that out. This will invariably result in a [[WP:EW|lightbulb war]], with lightbulbs being changed back and forth. Curiously, despite the large number of lightbulb changes, this procedure only tends to shed heat, not light, especially since some refuse to [[WP:V|prove their lightbulbs really are lightbulbs]].
Of course, someone will generally start [[WP:NPA|throwing lightbulbs at others]] or [[WP:POINT|breaking them to get the point across]]. Eventually, [[WP:ADMIN|a building inspector]] will notice this or be called to the scene, but unfortunately only have some rather [[WP:BLOCK|blunt]] [[WP:PP|objects]] to use in stopping the [[WP:DE|disagreement]] over the [[WP:LAME|serious issue]]. This eventually results in some [[WP:M|additional discussion]] over the issue, or sometimes a call for [[WP:RFC|more lightbulbs to be thrown]] at a participant.
Eventually, this situation necessitates either [[WP:BANTHEWHOLELOTOFTHEM|careful consideration of possible revocations of lightbulb changing privileges]], or the intervention of [[WP:ARBCOM|master electricians]].
Of course, our master electricians still won't tell anyone how to change the lightbulb. Only how to behave while trying to figure it out.
See? It's all very simple.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
... how many Wikipedians does it take to change a lightbulb?
Please do not manually change the lightbulbs. User:LightbulbBot checks for burnt out bulbs once a day, and automatically adds an entry to the [[Wikipedia:Lightbulbs/burnt-out log]].
(However, having [[Light bulb]] redirect to [[Incandescent light bulb]] but [[Lightbulb]] redirect to [[Lamp (electrical component)]] is less than ideal)
User:Quiddity