As I am currently unable to defend myself due to a block on my proxy server (through some other activity by someone else) I post here in the hopr that it can be inserted as my first comment under the "Statement by affected party".
Quote:
"I wish to bring it to the attention of the committee that the first attempt by Exploding Boy for a RFA failed as the dispute resolution process had not been followed, specifically any attempt at mediation. I subsequently requested mediation with him which he has spurned. I therefore request that the AC instruct Explosive Boy to submit to the Wikipedia dispute resolution process and engage in mediation."
I quote from my request for mediation:
"Exploding Boy has instigated both an RfC and a request for Arbitration against me. Together with this he has made a number of allegations which are contrived. I believe that the source of this animosity towards me lies in a fundamental difference in POV. His POV position has become even more evident recently. My belief is that he has behaved atrociously and as an admin has brought the office of admin/sysop into disrepute. Through this mediation I hope to reach an understanding with Exploding Boy that he ceases to abuse the systems of Wikipedia as a means to neutralise those with whom he has a POV disagreement. Should the mediation fail I intend to take this issue to the AC with the view of having him stripped of admin/sysop position. - Robert the Bruce 18:04, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)"
Thank you Robert
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--- Robert Brookes the_robert_brookes@yahoo.com wrote:
As I am currently unable to defend myself due to a block on my proxy server (through some other activity by someone else) I post here in the hopr that it can be inserted as my first comment under the "Statement by affected party".
Can you edit without using the open proxy? If not, then what is the IP address so that this can be unblocked?
I quote from my request for mediation: ....
Unfortunately the mediation process is not really functional at this time. So for now at least the ArbCom is not expecting people to seek mediation as part of 'trying and failing to resolve the issue using the other steps of the dispute resolution process.'
-- mav
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--- Robert Brookes the_robert_brookes@yahoo.com wrote:
As I am currently unable to defend myself due to a block on my proxy server (through some other
activity
by someone else) I post here in the hopr that it
can
be inserted as my first comment under the
"Statement
by affected party".
Can you edit without using the open proxy? If not, then what is the IP address so that this can be unblocked?
198.54.202.242
I quote from my request for mediation: ....
Unfortunately the mediation process is not really functional at this time. So for now at least the ArbCom is not expecting people to seek mediation as part of 'trying and failing to resolve the issue using the other steps of the dispute resolution process.'
-- mav
Thank you for your reply. I think I should add James W. Rosenzweig's comment from my RfA as it has bearing on the issues:
"As mediation seems to be at the crux of this, I'd just like to note that, as a member of the MC and apparently its future Chair (unless someone decides they want the job), we don't have our act together right now and are unlikely to in the next several weeks. While certainly mediation can occur outside of the MC, I think it's fair to say that right now Wikipedia doesn't have a fully functioning formal mediation process, though it certainly should by this time next month. I don't know if that impacts your decision, but thought you'd want to be aware, at least. Jwrosenzweig 22:35, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)"
This state of affairs is lamentable. If mediation is indeed to be a part of the Wikipedia dispute resolution process then an effort must be made to keep the structures functioning. Pity fewer people seem willing to volunteer as mediators than are queuing in line to become administrators so they can block and ban people at will. Sad for Wikipedia.
So what to do about a belligerent who spurns mediation?
Beats me, Robert
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--- John Lee johnleemk@gawab.com wrote:
Robert Brookes wrote:
So what to do about a belligerent who spurns mediation?
Nothing. Just hope the Arbcom will recognise this and take it into account; if you're lucky, they may drop the case.
John Lee ([[User:Johnleemk]])
What are you telling me John? That interactions with the Arbcom depend on luck?
Robert
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Robert Brookes wrote:
--- John Lee johnleemk@gawab.com wrote:
Robert Brookes wrote:
So what to do about a belligerent who spurns mediation?
Nothing. Just hope the Arbcom will recognise this and take it into account; if you're lucky, they may drop the case.
John Lee ([[User:Johnleemk]])
What are you telling me John? That interactions with the Arbcom depend on luck?
Robert
No, that you should stop spamming this mailing list and follow the dispute resolution procedure appropriately. We do not directly control the arbcom's decisions, so just point out the fact to them (which I believe you have done) and stop whining.
John Lee ([[User:Johnleemk]])
--- John Lee johnleemk@gawab.com wrote:
No, that you should stop spamming this mailing list and follow the dispute resolution procedure appropriately. We do not directly control the arbcom's decisions, so just point out the fact to them (which I believe you have done) and stop whining.
John Lee ([[User:Johnleemk]])
I am attempting to follow the dispute resolution procedure but the belligerent party refuses mediation. You OK with that?
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Mediation is not forcible. An attempt to reach a solution through mediation can be attempted, but it's anyone's right to decide that they are not willing to go through it.
-Matt
John Lee wrote:
Robert Brookes wrote:
--- John Lee wrote:
Robert Brookes wrote:
So what to do about a belligerent who spurns mediation?
Nothing. Just hope the Arbcom will recognise this and take it into account; if you're lucky, they may drop the case.
What are you telling me John? That interactions with the Arbcom depend on luck?
No, that you should stop spamming this mailing list and follow the dispute resolution procedure appropriately. We do not directly control the arbcom's decisions, so just point out the fact to them (which I believe you have done) and stop whining.
It doesn't sound like he's whining, just that he would prefer mediation where a consensus position could be worked out. If one side refuses mediation it's not a matter of luck but of evidence that one side refuses to co-operate. No need for you to get into dumb-ass accusations about spamming and whining.
Ec
--- Robert Brookes the_robert_brookes@yahoo.com wrote:
198.54.202.242
The last block (24 hours) for this IP was two days ago. It does not look to be blocked anymore.
So what to do about a belligerent who spurns mediation?
Since mediation is not a viable option right now, that question is irrelevant.
-- mav
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Robert Brookes wrote:
This state of affairs is lamentable. If mediation is indeed to be a part of the Wikipedia dispute resolution process then an effort must be made to keep the structures functioning. Pity fewer people seem willing to volunteer as mediators than are queuing in line to become administrators so they can block and ban people at will. Sad for Wikipedia.
A history of having successfully mediated the disputes of others could be an interesting prerequisite for becoming an administrator.
Ec
Robert Brookes said:
So what to do about a belligerent who spurns mediation?
I've been pondering this question since I read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_the_Bruce#Mediation
--- Tony Sidaway minorityreport@bluebottle.com wrote:
Robert Brookes said:
So what to do about a belligerent who spurns mediation?
I've been pondering this question since I read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_the_Bruce#Mediation
What I am pondering is why it was such a crime for me to refuse that mediation when with the case at hand everyone seems pretty blas� about EB's refusal. What exactly is the difference Tony?
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Robert Brookes said:
--- Tony Sidaway minorityreport@bluebottle.com wrote:
Robert Brookes said:
So what to do about a belligerent who spurns mediation?
I've been pondering this question since I read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_the_Bruce#Mediation
What I am pondering is why it was such a crime for me to refuse that mediation when with the case at hand everyone seems pretty blasé about EB's refusal. What exactly is the difference Tony?
On the first occasion when you called for mediation, you asked for a mediator "suitably qualified to understand obsessive/compulsive behavior...who has experience with disputes involving over-zealous sysops and the misuse and abuse of administrative powers" and on the second occasion you expressed your position as "Through this mediation I hope to reach an understanding with Exploding Boy that he ceases to abuse the systems of Wikipedia as a means to neutralise those with whom he has a POV disagreement. Should the mediation fail I intend to take this issue to the AC with the view of having him stripped of admin/sysop position." You're a troll.
--- Tony Sidaway minorityreport@bluebottle.com wrote:
Robert Brookes said:
--- Tony Sidaway minorityreport@bluebottle.com wrote:
Robert Brookes said:
So what to do about a belligerent who spurns mediation?
I've been pondering this question since I read
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_the_Bruce#Mediation
What I am pondering is why it was such a crime for
me
to refuse that mediation when with the case at
hand
everyone seems pretty blas� about EB's refusal.
What
exactly is the difference Tony?
On the first occasion when you called for mediation, you asked for a mediator "suitably qualified to understand obsessive/compulsive behavior...who has experience with disputes involving over-zealous sysops and the misuse and abuse of administrative powers" and on the second occasion you expressed your position as "Through this mediation I hope to reach an understanding with Exploding Boy that he ceases to abuse the systems of Wikipedia as a means to neutralise those with whom he has a POV disagreement. Should the mediation fail I intend to take this issue to the AC with the view of having him stripped of admin/sysop position." You're a troll.
But I suppose if I called someone a troll it would be a personal attack? heh heh heh Boy are you funny Tony.
Robert
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