David Gerard wrote:
Can I just say this is a brilliant idea, per Bruce Schneier's paper on this style of security:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/cya_security_1.html
My proposal is not a "security" proposal. (Maybe Jimbo's scheme is.) It's a proposed policy stating clearly that Wikipedians are expected to be honest. David evidently thinks this is absurd and unnecessary. I would have thought so myself until I saw the parade of people defending deception as acceptable in the case of Essjay on grounds such as "he had to do it to protect himself from all the wackos on Wikipedia" or "he only did it on his user page" or "I like him, so it's okay."
I would also like to propose new rules in a similar vein, since (thankfully) you can in fact change people's thought processes by altering text on a policy page:
- Don't Rob Banks And Send The Money To The Foundation To Make A Point
- Don't Kill Your Fellow Wikipedians And Eat Their Brains To Make A
Point
We don't need rules to cover either of these situations, because fortunately every civilized nation on earth has already enacted rules in the form of laws. Evidently every legal system in the world is designed by people who are idiots like me. If only they were brilliant like David, they would know that rules don't influence behavior and would immediately repeal their pointless little policies on murder and theft.
- Don't Climb The Reichstag Dressed As Spiderman To Make A Point
- Don't Shove Beans Up Your Nose
We don't need rules against these actions. It's perfectly fine with me if David does them.
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on 3/7/07 12:37 AM, Sheldon Rampton at sheldon@prwatch.org wrote:
It's a proposed policy stating clearly that Wikipedians are expected to be honest. David evidently thinks this is absurd and unnecessary.
David isn't the only one having a problem with this. Are you talking about a "policy" that would be suggested be followed - or a "rule" that, if broken, would carry punitive consequences?
Marc Riddell
Sheldon Rampton wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
- Don't Climb The Reichstag Dressed As Spiderman To Make A Point
- Don't Shove Beans Up Your Nose
We don't need rules against these actions. It's perfectly fine with me if David does them.
We probably need a rule to insure that there will be a person available to take free photographs when he does them. :-)
Ec