Hello, there is usually so much fuzz about banning certain users, weeks of tedious discussions, scrupulous arguments if someone like Lir should be really banned or if he/she could learn to work cooperatively in the end... I just followed the little edit war in [[Iraq crisis 2003]] and on the talk page I found the following: | This article was removed because the user who sumbitted it was banned, | for reasons which are on the mailing list. Given the reason for the ban, | it is surprising that this user is taking an anti-war position here! | | The conclusion on the mailing list was that they should be banned, and | therfore they don't get to play here. Period. First question: I seem to have missed this debate (the user has written under IPs starting with 142.177.) Could someone direct me to some links in the archive? Second question: Since when is the fact that some user was banned a valid reason (without giving any other reasons) for deleting entire articles? Third question: I can't reproduce the first reason for the ban: * 08:12 Jan 13, 2003, Maveric149 blocked 142.177.97.215 (contribs) (racial insult at Talk:Space Shuttle Columbia: "(On [[January 12]], [[1986]] Columbia took-off with the first [[Hispanic-American]] astronaut, Dr. [[Franklin R. Chang-Diaz]].) " Well, that explains where the Challenger's O-ring went... <-- ;-D") In the history of [[Talk:Space Shuttle Columbia]] I can find no edits by this IP. Could someone explain the story of this ban? And my fourth and last question: Why the hell do you ban users who write articles like this: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asharites ??? or add substantial content like this one: http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Ijtihad&diff=675212&old… or this (not banned, but apparently the same user): http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_philosophy Okay, okay...one prefers to let other, more knowledgeable people write about Islam. These people do also behave very civilly. good bye, elian -- # echo "127.0.0.1 www.wikipedia.org" >> /etc/hosts