What people seem to forget:
NPOV is not a suicide pact.
NPOV is great, normally, but call a spade a spade.
Except for the delusional, Osama Bin Laden *is* a terrorist.
Except for the delusional, Mugabe, Mobutu, Qaddafi, Stalin, Lenin, and Pol Pot...ARE dictators.
Frankly, when it comes to representing reality or keeping to NPOV...I choose reality, thanks. I refuse to follow in the footsteps of Walter Durant.
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I agree 100% with Fred. 172 is in the process of whitewashing the bio of every dictator who has ever lived. Robert Mugabe is being portrayed as a victim of colonial oppression, he's never done anything bad in his life, apparently. The only person on Wikipedia who seems to have ever done anything wrong in Hitler, and I'm surprised we haven't let Nazis come in and make him out to be a hero. After all, saying that he's responsible for the deaths of millions of people is POV.
RickK
Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote: In our efforts to be politically correct we are unable to describe al-Qaeda as a terrorist organization or East Germany as a totalitarian regime. Thus we distort reality and drift off into a fantastic world where there is no black and white, no values and ultimately a rather poor encyclopedia that can't be trusted.
Fred
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<DIV>I agree 100% with Fred. 172 is in the process of whitewashing the bio of every dictator who has ever lived. Robert Mugabe is being portrayed as a victim of colonial oppression, he's never done anything bad in his life, apparently. The only person on Wikipedia who seems to have ever done anything wrong in Hitler, and I'm surprised we haven't let Nazis come in and make him out to be a hero. After all, saying that he's responsible for the deaths of millions of people is POV.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>RickK<BR><BR><B><I>Fred Bauder <fredbaud@ctelco.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">In our efforts to be politically correct we are unable to describe al-Qaeda<BR>as a terrorist organization or East Germany as a totalitarian regime. Thus<BR>we distort reality and drift off into a fantastic world where there is no<BR>black and white, no values and ultimately a rather poor encyclopedia that<BR>can't be trusted.<BR><BR>Fred<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr SIZE=1> Do you Yahoo!?<br> Yahoo! Finance: <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=22055/*http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html">Get your refund fast by filing online</a>
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"John C. Penta" pentaj2@UofS.edu writes:
What people seem to forget:
NPOV is not a suicide pact.
NPOV is great, normally, but call a spade a spade.
Except for the delusional, Osama Bin Laden *is* a terrorist.
Except for the delusional, Mugabe, Mobutu, Qaddafi, Stalin, Lenin, and Pol Pot...ARE dictators.
Except for the delusional, the Supreme Courts decision to halt the Florida Presidential election count was undemocratic.
Except for the delusional, the US-Mexican War (1846--1848), the Spanish American War, the establishment of Panama (and the Canal Zone) and the annexation of the Philippines were acts of US expansionist aggresion.
Except for the delusional, Woodrow Wilson was an unashamed racist who segretated federal buildings.
And yet, weirdly, no-one demands that we call "a spade a spade" in these articles.
Wrong. I just haven't gotten around to those.
Fred
From: Gareth Owen wiki@gwowen.freeserve.co.uk Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: 12 Feb 2004 18:30:31 +0000 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] The integrity of Wikipedia
Except for the delusional, the Supreme Courts decision to halt the Florida Presidential election count was undemocratic.
Except for the delusional, the US-Mexican War (1846--1848), the Spanish American War, the establishment of Panama (and the Canal Zone) and the annexation of the Philippines were acts of US expansionist aggresion.
Except for the delusional, Woodrow Wilson was an unashamed racist who segretated federal buildings.
And yet, weirdly, no-one demands that we call "a spade a spade" in these articles.