From: MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com Date: 2006/01/01 Sun PM 03:48:40 EST To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: Re: [WikiEN-l] Article: Childlove movement
And what about the AFD reasoning that it's a term to collect "boylove" and "girllove" under one name. Those terms are common
no they aren't.
and calling them childlove > collectively makes sense (at least to me).
A neologism that "makes sense" is still a neolgoism. H.
Mgm
On 1/1/06, homey2005@sympatico.ca homey2005@sympatico.ca wrote:
Point taken. However, the term "white nationalism" is much more firmly established than "childlove". See for instance "The New White Nationalism in America", a scholarly book by Carol M. Swain. And also, white nationalist claim to be different than white supremacists thus a distiction is made (though whether it's a real distinction or just a matter of hiding one's views in order to make them more palatable is an issue).
Conversely, there is no distinction between "childlove" and "pedophilia". The former is a pure synonym for the latter and its purpose is not to draw a distinction of some sort but to serve as a euphemism.
Homey
From: Fastfission fastfission@gmail.com Date: 2006/01/01 Sun PM 03:17:10 EST To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: Re: [WikiEN-l] Article: Childlove movement
On 1/1/06, homey2005@sympatico.ca homey2005@sympatico.ca wrote:
That's insufficient for NPOV, indeed to use a term simply because a
particular group uses it is very POV. We should not use a euphemism simply because advocates prefer it. If we did we'd be referring to "white nationalists" rather than "white supremacists", "Racial rationalists" rather than "racists", "Historical revisionists" rather than "Holocaust deniers".
Not to put a bee in your bonnet but we do have an article on [[White nationalism]]. It actually provides a pretty good example of the best way of dealing with this sort of thing:
"White nationalism is a political and social movement to advance the social and economic interests of white or Caucasian people." "White nationalists explicitly deny being racial supremacists, arguing that they merely wish for each group of people with shared heritage, including white people, to be allowed to promote and preserve its heritage, and do not desire to oppress or dominate other races as racial supremacists do. Critics, however, argue that white nationalism intersects with, or is a euphemism for, white supremacy."
Now obviously in all cases this level of "neutrality" is not completely warranted -- something like "Holohoax" for example which is nothing but a perjorative. I don't know enough about the case in question to have any worthwhile opinion but I think this is the sort of thing that MGM is getting at. Other examples include distinctions like [[Pro-life]]/[[Anti-abortion movement]].
When something is legitimately a proper name of a "movement" or organized campaign it should generally have an article using its established name, even if it very quickly explains that the name itself is in dispute. Generally speaking, of course.
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