I found this on my meta talk page after I extended a ban on an IP that is virtually identical to an IP that had already been banned for making a hideous racial slur:
.... Murder of vast numbers of people who believe as you do becomes justified, when you use control of a technology that they don't have, to censor their views on what you are doing, and make it impossible for them to stop you any other way.
I may have been wrong in banning the IP from en.wiki but I don't appreciate thinly veiled threats on my life.
Can we ban all this users IPs and perhaps call the cops?
For background on this user see: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Maveric149/archive_8
Direct link to my talk page: http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Maveric149
--mav
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:38:39PM -0800, Daniel Mayer wrote:
Murder of vast numbers of people who believe as you do becomes justified, when you use control of a technology that they don't have, to censor their views on what you are doing, and make it impossible for them to stop you any other way.
I may have been wrong in banning the IP from en.wiki but I don't appreciate thinly veiled threats on my life.
That wasn't a thinly veiled threat on your life. That was a wakeup call. Try being nice, and let other people have their day in the sun too. By the way, what did he mean by "people who believe as you do"? Are you a Republican?
Can we ban all this users IPs and perhaps call the cops?
That is an extreme, and unwarranted reaction.
Jonathan
WOAH! Jonathan, WHAT are you talking about? Mav is one of the least contentious people around here! Be nice? Mav is always nice, except when there are times when it's wrong to be nice. Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Zoe Jonathan Walther krooger@debian.org wrote:On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:38:39PM -0800, Daniel Mayer wrote:
Murder of vast numbers of people who believe as you do becomes justified, when you use control of a technology that they don't have, to censor their views on what you are doing, and make it impossible for them to stop you any other way.
I may have been wrong in banning the IP from en.wiki but I don't appreciate thinly veiled threats on my life.
That wasn't a thinly veiled threat on your life. That was a wakeup call. Try being nice, and let other people have their day in the sun too. By the way, what did he mean by "people who believe as you do"? Are you a Republican?
Can we ban all this users IPs and perhaps call the cops?
That is an extreme, and unwarranted reaction.
Jonathan
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:03:37PM -0800, Zoe wrote:
Murder of vast numbers of people who believe as you do becomes justified, when you use control of a technology that they don't have, to censor their views on what you are doing, and make it impossible for them to stop you any other way.
Jonathan, WHAT are you talking about? Mav is one of the least contentious people around here! Be nice? Mav is always nice, except when there are times when it's wrong to be nice. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
A) Mav summarily reverted a lot of my edits on the strength of some bullshit Zionist claims that I was biased, anti-Semitic, and the like. I assumed 24 was another person who had received that treatment from Mav.
B) The "threat" was obviously referring to the massive ethnic conflicts that have been happening through history, including very recent history, where groups without power wreak bloody vengeance when they finally gain the upper hand.
I understood his quoted statement as a way of saying "be nice now, and when the people who think like me have the power, they won't considers themselves to have cause to purge and pogrom the people who think like you."
HOWEVER!
In private correspondance I have been told that 24 has a long history of threatening extreme violence, and showing signs of being mentally disturbed in a criminally dangerous way.
Given this, I hasten to add that my analysis of 24's statement lacks the context of people who have dealt with 24 on an on-going basis. Erik may very well have received death threats from 24, and I encourage him to contact the police.
I encourage Erik to give the police more context than I saw in that first post; the police, knowing 24 as much as I did (ie, not at all), may very well interpret the post the same way I did; as harmless crankery.
Jonathan
Jonathan wrote:
Given this, I hasten to add that my analysis of 24's statement lacks the context of people who have dealt with 24 on an on-going basis. Erik may very well have received death threats from 24, and I encourage him to contact the police.
You're confused. Mav != me. Mav == Daniel Mayer. He received the threats.
Regards,
Erik
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 01:35:41PM +0100, Erik Moeller wrote:
You're confused. Mav != me. Mav == Daniel Mayer. He received the threats.
Right. s/Eric/Dan/ in my previous email.
Jonathan
--- Jonathan Walther krooger@debian.org wrote:
That wasn't a thinly veiled threat on your life. That was a wakeup call. Try being nice, and let other people have their day in the sun too.
Jonathan, have you recently used an IP number in the 142.177 range? No offense, just checking.
Axel
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 08:14:31PM -0800, Axel Boldt wrote:
That wasn't a thinly veiled threat on your life. That was a wakeup call. Try being nice, and let other people have their day in the sun too.
Jonathan, have you recently used an IP number in the 142.177 range? No offense, just checking.
I am still deeply offended and hurt by the anti-goy bigotry and fanaticism of people like RK and his pals. I am not 142, but I can easily understand why he would get pissed off at the severe Zionist bias that has pervaded the Wikipedia.
Jonathan
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:38:39PM -0800, Daniel Mayer wrote:
Murder of vast numbers of people who believe as you do becomes justified, when you use control of a technology that they don't have, to censor their views on what you are doing, and make it impossible for them to stop you any other way.
I may have been wrong in banning the IP from en.wiki but I don't appreciate thinly veiled threats on my life.
That wasn't a thinly veiled threat on your life. That was a wakeup call. Try being nice, and let other people have their day in the sun too. By the way, what did he mean by "people who believe as you do"?
Well, I'm glad you knew what this guy was talking about. I've not only read the passage excerpted, but the original post, & I'm still not clear what the writer's point was. (And if someone walks past me muttering "kill", "pain", "get what you deserve", my first instinct is to suspect that the person speaking may be making a threat against me -- when a moment of logical reflection will prove that I'm merely hearing part of a monologue of an individual stating what he fears may happen to HIM.
Are you a Republican?
Although that was not directed at me, I have to chime in: Not in the slightest, but some of my favorite relatives are.
Geoff
For those who are new to the scene, I'll just say this. The particular details of partisan politics (Republican, Democrat, Green, Libertarian, etc., etc.) are not relevant here. 24 is outside those normal categories. His actual political ideas are an incomprehensible mish-mash of vaguely leftist notions, but I think there's absolutely every reason to take what he said as a threat.
How credible is the threat? I don't know. But credible enough to take legal action, in my opinion.
--Jimbo
Basically, it is not our job to decide what warrents action. If you are uncomfortable enought to contact the police, do so. They will tell you if there is enough to take action or not. That is there job, to know the difference and know when to act. Our job is to call on them when we need help. Debate ended as far as I am concerned.
-----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org]On Behalf Of Jimmy Wales Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:39 AM To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] 142.177.xxx.xxx (aka 24) is at it again
For those who are new to the scene, I'll just say this. The particular details of partisan politics (Republican, Democrat, Green, Libertarian, etc., etc.) are not relevant here. 24 is outside those normal categories. His actual political ideas are an incomprehensible mish-mash of vaguely leftist notions, but I think there's absolutely every reason to take what he said as a threat.
How credible is the threat? I don't know. But credible enough to take legal action, in my opinion.
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Jonathan Walther wrote:
Can we ban all this users IPs and perhaps call the cops?
That is an extreme, and unwarranted reaction.
I disagree. Threats of murder are absolutely impermissible and do, in fact, warrant police action.
What we're engaged in here, writing an encyclopedia, is a simple and kind hobby, a gift to the world, put forward with genuine concern for the well-being of all humanity. There's absolutely nothing about what we are doing that should expose any of us to threats of harm. The very idea is ludicrous.
--Jimbo
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Jimmy Wales wrote:
Jonathan Walther wrote:
Can we ban all this users IPs and perhaps call the cops?
That is an extreme, and unwarranted reaction.
I disagree. Threats of murder are absolutely impermissible and do, in fact, warrant police action.
What we're engaged in here, writing an encyclopedia, is a simple and kind hobby, a gift to the world, put forward with genuine concern for the well-being of all humanity. There's absolutely nothing about what we are doing that should expose any of us to threats of harm. The very idea is ludicrous.
I would agree that informing the police would be right if there were a threat. However, I find Jonathon's interpretation at least as plausible as the threat interpretation. I wouldn't argue against bannishment in this case, but in the absense of a clearer threat, I wouldn't be the one to call the cops.
My $0.02, M Carling
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:38:39 -0800 (PST), Daniel Mayer maveric149=/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
I found this on my meta talk page after I extended a ban on an IP that is virtually identical to an IP that had already been banned for making a hideous racial slur:
.... Murder of vast numbers of people who believe as you do becomes justified, when you use control of a technology that they don't have, to censor their views on what you are doing, and make it impossible for them to stop you any other way.
I may have been wrong in banning the IP from en.wiki but I don't appreciate thinly veiled threats on my life.
Can we ban all this users IPs and perhaps call the cops?
Banning IP's is generally a bad idea. For example, New Zealand's top ISP has 100,000 users and probably a pool of around 30,000 IP addresses. Odds are that a user who is banned will be on another IP next time they dial in, and there are 100,000 potential Wikipedians whou you are at best mystifying or at worst driving away by rendering them unable to edit should they happen along on the IP(s) you've banned. I'm on DSL, with a much more stable IP, but I know that if I want to change, all I have to do is switch of my router for 10 seconds.
Call the police !
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Mayer" maveric149@yahoo.com To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:38 PM Subject: [WikiEN-l] 142.177.xxx.xxx (aka 24) is at it again
I found this on my meta talk page after I extended a ban on an IP that is virtually identical to an IP that had already been banned for making a hideous racial slur:
.... Murder of vast numbers of people who believe as you do becomes justified, when you use control of a technology that they don't have, to censor their views on what you are doing, and make it impossible for them to stop you any other way.
I may have been wrong in banning the IP from en.wiki but I don't appreciate thinly veiled threats on my life.
Can we ban all this users IPs and perhaps call the cops?
For background on this user see: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Maveric149/archive_8
Direct link to my talk page: http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Maveric149
--mav
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