Well Ray, not to put too fine a point on it, but screw you.
Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net Sent by: wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org 05/28/2004 12:23 PM Please respond to English Wikipedia
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org cc: Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Greetings
Steve.Parsons@inveresk.com wrote:
Hi all, new user here. I hope to get the lay of the land here soon and contribute some articles and edits on Egyptology. Particularly I'd like to do write-ups on Sneferu and his pyramids, which often seem to get overlooked in favor of the Giza group. Any thoughts would be most welcome.
Yeah. Just go ahead and write.
Ec
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Well, Steve, not to put too fine a point on it, but messages of this nature do not help your cause. This tone and this *attitude* are not desirable; continued use of such bears the potential to get you banned from the mailing list and possible from the wiki (if that is where you post such content). Ray's point was entirely in earnest. This is a Wiki. Anyone can edit.
However, I suggest you read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers and related links, particularly the "Wikiquitte" section.
----- Original Message ----- From: steve.parsons@inveresk.com steve.parsons@inveresk.com Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:28:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Greetings To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org
Well Ray, not to put too fine a point on it, but screw you.
On Fri, 28 May 2004 Steve.Parsons@inveresk.com wrote:
Steve.Parsons@inveresk.com wrote:
Hi all, new user here. I hope to get the lay of the land here soon and contribute some articles and edits on Egyptology. Particularly I'd like to do write-ups on Sneferu and his pyramids, which often seem to get overlooked in favor of the Giza group. Any thoughts would be most welcome.
Yeah. Just go ahead and write.
Well Ray, not to put too fine a point on it, but screw you.
This is a puzzling exchange.
New user asks for advice. Ray responds to ``just go ahead and write" -- which is how almost all of us here got started. New user replies with an obscenity. Somewhere, there has been a failure to communicate.
First, we need help with Egyptian topics. Based on a figure I read a month ago, there were something over 300 Egyptian kings, & last I counted, probably not more than 10% of them had entries in Wikipedia. The Egyptian Mythology article needs work. And there are probably other gaping holes in that section.
Not knowing anything about you other than these two emails, Steve, I really can't offer any advice than what Ray said: yes, there are some concerns about fair use, copyright, NPOV, & so forth, but if you were able to read enough of the Wikipedia website to understand how to subscribe to this list, is it fair to assume you have at least looked at those sections? You probably currently know more about Wikipedia than I did when I started about a year & ahalf ago -- & I've made a few edits since then.
You will butt heads with other editors. You will have your writing changed, sometimes not for the better. You will discover that someone knows things you don't. You will sometimes feel that Wikipedia's not worth it, & want to abandon it to the trolls, fools & wackos who keep appearing here.
And sometimes you will have an enjoyable exchange with someone, or learn something you want to share. Or maybe you will find reward in the act of sharing something you find important with strangers.
Again, I don't know anything about you, other than these two emails. And the second one didn't show you at your best. Would you like to try again at introducing yourself?
Geoff itself.
Geoffrey Burling wrote:
You will butt heads with other editors. You will have your writing changed, sometimes not for the better. You will discover that someone knows things you don't. You will sometimes feel that Wikipedia's not worth it, & want to abandon it to the trolls, fools & wackos who keep appearing here.
I keep hearing this from a lot of people. Why has this never happened to me? I seriously wonder.
On 05/29/04 03:04, Timwi wrote:
Geoffrey Burling wrote:
You will butt heads with other editors. You will have your writing changed, sometimes not for the better. You will discover that someone knows things you don't. You will sometimes feel that Wikipedia's not worth it, & want to abandon it to the trolls, fools & wackos who keep appearing here.
I keep hearing this from a lot of people. Why has this never happened to me? I seriously wonder.
I discovered my crankmail went down in volume notably when I disabled email being sent from my user page. My email address is really easy to find, but wikicranks don't seem to be particularly persistent.
- d.
I did that, and people complain on my Talk page that it's an attempt at avoiding conversation with them.
RickK
David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote: I discovered my crankmail went down in volume notably when I disabled email being sent from my user page. My email address is really easy to find, but wikicranks don't seem to be particularly persistent.
- d.
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On 05/29/04 14:32, Rick wrote:
*/David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au/* wrote:
I discovered my crankmail went down in volume notably when I disabled email being sent from my user page. My email address is really easy to find, but wikicranks don't seem to be particularly persistent.
I did that, and people complain on my Talk page that it's an attempt at avoiding conversation with them.
"WELL SPOTTED!!"
Perhaps that's insufficiently loving.
I do point it out on [[User:David Gerard]], FWIW ...
(You nice people are welcome to email me. It's *those* people who aren't.)
- d.