*Mediator can say: You stay in your corner and you in yours, otherwise I'll go get Dwarf-Lord Jimbo
**But we can all do this anyways. Ive got Jimbo's email in my address book -- we could all spam Jimbo all day long. Why do we need to create an official "super-sysop" position?
--- Adam [name omitted for privacy reasons] <[name omitted for privacy reasons]@msn.com> wrote:
*Mediator can say: You stay in your corner and you in yours, otherwise I'll go get Dwarf-Lord Jimbo
**But we can all do this anyways. Ive got Jimbo's email in my address book -- we could all spam Jimbo all day long. Why do we need to create an official "super-sysop" position? >
But do we?
And is the threat pretty hollow since, like you said, jimbo could be spammed by all of us?
But if there are 3 or 4 "Mediators" who can temp-ban you until Jimbo comes around to review, then edit-warmongers might sit up and take notice, knowing these are people whom Jimbo will listen to attentively, having himself appointed them?
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From: Christopher Mahan chris_mahan@yahoo.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:14:58 -0800 (PST) To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Mediators (Re:Cmahan)
--- Adam [name omitted for privacy reasons] <[name omitted for privacy reasons]@msn.com> wrote:
*Mediator can say: You stay in your corner and you in yours, otherwise I'll go get Dwarf-Lord Jimbo
**But we can all do this anyways. Ive got Jimbo's email in my address book -- we could all spam Jimbo all day long. Why do we need to create an official "super-sysop" position? >
But do we?
And is the threat pretty hollow since, like you said, jimbo could be spammed by all of us?
But if there are 3 or 4 "Mediators" who can temp-ban you until Jimbo comes around to review, then edit-warmongers might sit up and take notice, knowing these are people whom Jimbo will listen to attentively, having himself appointed them?
===== Christopher Mahan
Heh, maybe he's not fool enough to do that.
Fred
Look, folks. Can I make this very simple for you. There are only two powers a mediator needs. One power is the power to convince (through trust) that everything revealed during the mediation process will be held strictly confidential, and *never* brought to light otherwise.
The other power a mediator needs is the power to suggest, convincingly, that the next step, and a next step much more traumatic, is to bring in *arbitrators* with *much* more powers, and that mediation is much better than arbitration.
It is just that simple.
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (aka Cimon Avaro)
From: jheiskan@welho.com
Look, folks. Can I make this very simple for you. There are only two
powers a
mediator needs. One power is the power to convince (through trust) that everything revealed during the mediation process will be held strictly confidential, and *never* brought to light otherwise.
I agree 101% with this -- the mediation process is a confidential "negotiation" between those who do not agree. That is all. If they come to an agreement, great, if not, nothing lost, maybe something gained (there has been some communciation, isn't that always a positive thing?).
The other power a mediator needs is the power to suggest, convincingly,
that the
next step, and a next step much more traumatic, is to bring in
*arbitrators*
with *much* more powers, and that mediation is much better than
arbitration.
Mediation can be a stand alone procedure, so I am not sure where this is coming from. I think that anyone who goes into mediation knows that if an agreement is not reached that there will be consequences, though some people do use mediation as a stalling tactic, most see it as a good faith attempt to get their point across to those they do not agree with. The consequence of not mediation does not have to be arbitration. It can be arbitrary power (i.e. someone decides to ban if there is no mediation resolution without any kind of further process after mediation involving the persons making the disputed edits).
Alex756