Calling someone a "fascist hag" is not a crime either, but it is obnoxious namecalling that should not belong on this list. We shouldn't tolerate such trollish behavior in the name of "dissent".
Geoffrey Bell truetheatertype at gmail.com:
Wait wait wait...I haven't been watching this list like a hawk, and maybe we're talking about two different people, but I don't see any trolls, only a dissenter. And dissent is not a crime, of course.
On 7/1/05, Rob <gamaliel8 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Can we please remove the anonymous troll from this
list?
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Why don't people just give trolls what they deserve?
Do us all a favour, and when people post here only looking for trouble, give them what they deserve - the silent treatment.
Dan
On 02/07/05, Rob gamaliel8@yahoo.com wrote:
Calling someone a "fascist hag" is not a crime either, but it is obnoxious namecalling that should not belong on this list. We shouldn't tolerate such trollish behavior in the name of "dissent".
Geoffrey Bell truetheatertype at gmail.com:
Wait wait wait...I haven't been watching this list like a hawk, and maybe we're talking about two different people, but I don't see any trolls, only a dissenter. And dissent is not a crime, of course.
On 7/1/05, Rob <gamaliel8 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Can we please remove the anonymous troll from this
list?
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"Dan Grey" dangrey@gmail.com wrote:
Why don't people just give trolls what they deserve?
Do us all a favour, and when people post here only looking for trouble, give them what they deserve - the silent treatment.
Indeed, one recently prolific poster to this list has earned the distinction of being the first person added to my blocked user list -- it'd just too tedious sifting through the drek.
Bkonrad
On 02/07/05, Bill Konrad bkonrad123@sbcglobal.net wrote:
"Dan Grey" dangrey@gmail.com wrote:
Why don't people just give trolls what they deserve?
Do us all a favour, and when people post here only looking for trouble, give them what they deserve - the silent treatment.
Indeed, one recently prolific poster to this list has earned the distinction of being the first person added to my blocked user list -- it'd just too tedious sifting through the drek.
Bkonrad
Crikey, I've only been on the list a few weeks and I already have, erm, several filters :-).
To Rob - it's not turning the other cheek. Trolls only post to get a reaction - the fundamental truth is that it's pure attention seeking, how ever it's dressed up on the surface.
Ignore them - totally - and they don't get they want, they very rapidly get bored, and bugger off :-)
Dan
On 7/2/05, Dan Grey dangrey@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/07/05, Bill Konrad bkonrad123@sbcglobal.net wrote:
"Dan Grey" dangrey@gmail.com wrote:
Why don't people just give trolls what they deserve?
Do us all a favour, and when people post here only looking for trouble, give them what they deserve - the silent treatment.
Indeed, one recently prolific poster to this list has earned the distinction of being the first person added to my blocked user list -- it'd just too tedious sifting through the drek.
Bkonrad
Crikey, I've only been on the list a few weeks and I already have, erm, several filters :-).
To Rob - it's not turning the other cheek. Trolls only post to get a reaction - the fundamental truth is that it's pure attention seeking, how ever it's dressed up on the surface.
Ignore them - totally - and they don't get they want, they very rapidly get bored, and bugger off :-)
Dan
Keep in mind, however, that this is probably the rudest possible thing you can do. It's really important to apply this only to the very worst of trolls.
In my observation, most mailing list trolls become trolls on the basis of a real concern, the anger over which is greatly inflated by repeated dismissal or ignorance of their concerns by those they perceive to be in power. Frequently, this starts as a tiny little issue, but inflates even more rapidly as insults and accusations (of being a troll, sockpuppet, etc.) are applied.
If we explain patiently why the concerns are being dismissed or ignored, <i>without ever insulting the questioner</i>, even if it takes four or five times, far fewer would become trolls in the first place.
On 03/07/05, Michael Turley michael.turley@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/2/05, Dan Grey dangrey@gmail.com wrote:
To Rob - it's not turning the other cheek. Trolls only post to get a reaction - the fundamental truth is that it's pure attention seeking, how ever it's dressed up on the surface.
Ignore them - totally - and they don't get they want, they very rapidly get bored, and bugger off :-)
Dan
Keep in mind, however, that this is probably the rudest possible thing you can do. It's really important to apply this only to the very worst of trolls.
I *really * don't care about pissing off trolls, minor or major. We're here to write an encyclopaedia, nothing more.
Dan
PS Apols to Michael, who's going to get this twice - I keep hitting reply, instead of reply to all. D'oh.
On 7/3/05, Dan Grey dangrey@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/07/05, Michael Turley michael.turley@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/2/05, Dan Grey dangrey@gmail.com wrote:
To Rob - it's not turning the other cheek. Trolls only post to get a reaction - the fundamental truth is that it's pure attention seeking, how ever it's dressed up on the surface.
Ignore them - totally - and they don't get they want, they very rapidly get bored, and bugger off :-)
Dan
Keep in mind, however, that this is probably the rudest possible thing you can do. It's really important to apply this only to the very worst of trolls.
I *really * don't care about pissing off trolls, minor or major. We're here to write an encyclopaedia, nothing more.
Dan
PS Apols to Michael, who's going to get this twice - I keep hitting reply, instead of reply to all. D'oh.
Inciting trollish behavior results results in far more time consumed in the administrative overhead of dealing with the trolls, leaving less time for writing and editing.
If attacks and trolls roll off like water off a duck's back, then are followed with polite responses, things never escalate. Fewer will come to admins (and to this list) for redress if they're always treated with courtesy and respect, even if such is undeserved. If we bury them in courtesy and respect, most will come to see a better way.
Attacks and counter-attacks on even terms creates hard feelings and squabble. Attacks and counter-attacks where one person holds disproportionate power over the other creates resentment, revolt, and subversion. Avoid the cycles of emotional conflict and we'll all have more time for writing and editing.
-- Michael Turley User:Unfocused
Apologies to Dan Grey, as I've also hit "reply" instead of "reply to all".